[jlisenbe]

Isn't it strange that the "my body my choice" advocates are also on board for forcing others to pay for the care and maintenance of "my body". I guess that's part of the choice element. "I choose to have you pay for my surgery."

[tomder55]

My body my choice is a defunct debate point. Ask a question to any pro choice person.

"are you in favor of abortion up until the moment of birth ?"

Unless they say yes (and at this point very few do) ;then they believe that at some point in the pregnancy there is a human life that needs protection and it is no longer a matter of choice.

Bill Maher had this discussion . I give him credit; for nothing else ;he's honest .

Bill Maher STUNS Audience: Abortion Is Murder BUT GOOD (youtube.com)

[jlisenbe]

What is sad is that people like Piers Morgan laughed at it all. The pro-abortion crowd has elected to just not take the issue of human life seriously. It's all the result, so far as I can see, of the general decline in the belief that man is made in the image of God, and being made in God's image gives us all great value including those in the womb. But that's an "inconvenient truth", so it all just gets ignored.

It's why the question we see here occasionally concerning why women get abortions has no relevance. If the unborn child is a human being, then it makes no difference why a woman wants to get an abortion. If the unborn child is NOT a human, then it makes no real difference why the woman wants to get an abortion any more than why a woman wants to get a tooth pulled. Either way it's a moot point other than situations where continuing the pregnancy would end the mother's life. As far as I know, modern medicine has eliminated that as a consideration.

[tomder55]

In Maher's logic genocide is acceptable murder also to reduce the population. It's only a question of which humans get whacked.

[jlisenbe]

The next targets will be the elderly and disabled kids.

[tomder55]

yes already elderly are in the cross hairs.

[tomder55]

update . Arizona repealed the 1864 ban . The law now allows up to 15 week. It won't take effect for several more weeks until the legislative session ends . 2 Repubs crossed the aisle to end the 1864 law.

It is better than what the Dems want.

What Is The AAA? | Arizona Abortion Access for All (arizonaforabortionaccess.org)

The Repubs will most likely add an alternative measure on the November ballot making Arizona more of a battle ground state than it already was. The bottom line is that the people decide ;which was what the repeal of Roe intended.

[jlisenbe]

I suppose fifteen weeks beats thirty weeks, but it is still the destruction of an innocent human being. What we need is a political figure who will put forward a rational defense of pro-life legislation.

[tomder55]

Rational or not ;the nation will be divided on the issue. A significant part of the population believes in birth control by infanticide . Hard line pro-life is a losing cause at this time.

PRRI

Fox News Poll: Record number say abortion should be legal | Fox News

Either it gets a democratic compromise or a dictated answer .
Roe was a dictated decree by the black robe appointed for life judiciary .

I have to say that in battleground states like Arizona and Nevada this issue is being used as a rally cry by the Dems and it could very well be decisive.

Where abortion rights have been voted on in red states and swing states ;the pro-abortion side won. (Ohio ;Kansas ;Michigan ;and the left's turnout swung the race to Dem victories.
The Dems believe they have a winning issue and are mobilizing a well funded campaign on it

4.5.2024 Memo Abortion Ballot Initiatives (dccc.org)

Pritzker launches abortion rights group Think Big America - POLITICO

Gov. Pritzker's Think Big America Injects $1.5M into Abortion Rights (hoodline.com)

There will be more . States that don't have it specifically on the ballot have operatives aggressively getting petition signatures to get measures on the ballot before November.

Which states could have abortion on the ballot in 2024? (local12.com)

Dem Guv of Arizona Katie Hobbs is looking to flip the state House to the Dems by concentrating on the abortion initiative .

[jlisenbe]

It took Wilberforce and his allies several decades to get rid of slavery in the UK. They began with outlawing the slave trade and went on from there. It was a tough, long fight. I tell my pro-life friends that there is a battle to be fought in the court of public opinion. We must find ways to put the truth forward. It will not always prevail as has been seen in the past, but we do know that the truth is on our side.

[tomder55]

My concern is that an inflexible position leads to Dem gains ;and that in turn causes more harm . Once the Dems get critical mass they will have a national law .


Text - H.R.3755 - 117th Congress (2021-2022): Women's Health Protection Act of 2021 | Congress.gov | Library of Congress