[jlisenbe]

You'll dig out the explanation offered up by a woman afflicted with TG? Kind of don't think that will qualify as either unbiased or scientific.

[Wondergirl]

You'll dig out the explanation offered up by a woman afflicted with TG? Kind of don't think that will qualify as either unbiased or scientific.

What will you accept? (Actually it was a man who knew by age 7 that "he" was female, and took all the correct steps to make the change.)

You chose to be male? When did you make that choice?

[tomder55]

UN Women's UK chapter was founded in 2010 . The mission of the agency is for "gender equality and the empowerment of women and girls" .
United Nations: Gender equality and women's empowerment

So how did the UK branch choose to empower women and girls ?

They appointed a transformer model as their ambassador.

17 groups representing REAL women penned a letter of opposition

A letter to UN Women from UK campaign groups | Fair Play For Women

On top of the fact that he is not a woman ; He has used his celebrity in the past to make racist comments .

I'll say it again. The transformer movement has set back women's rights back years

[jlisenbe]

What will you accept?

That which is not based upon the biased, non-scientific account of one person.

I read a book recently about a woman who was a radical lesbian activist. She had her PhD and was a wheel in a major university, leading the movement for "gay rights". But then she met a pastor who introduced her to Jesus and her life changed. She married a man and had two children. She still sometimes has desire for women, but she put that aside to follow a greater desire and a much greater truth. Her story is the story of one person, just like the person you mentioned was just one individual. So will you accept her story as the norm for all lesbian women?

I'll say it again. The transformer movement has set back women's rights back years

Perhaps that is because the women's rights movement eventually devolved into something that was nothing more than a reactionary political movement that wasn't so much about women's rights as it was about power.

[Wondergirl]

So will you accept her story as the norm for all lesbian women?

Obviously, she is bi, not 100% lesbian.

[jlisenbe]

Obviously, she is bi, not 100% lesbian.

Nope. She was never interested in men. She married and had children because of her commitment to Christ which, I think, is something you are not familiar with, or you would not have made the comment you posted.

[Curlyben]

I guess, especially for Wondergirl, the question now is, What is a woman ?

Also a biological man, that displays as male, yet identifies female and dresses as a woman, how do we address them ?
The term used to be transvestite, but I guess that's no longer allowed.

[Wondergirl]

A transvestite (e.g., a drag queen) is NOT a transgender, not in any way, shape or form.

[Curlyben]

A transvestite (e.g., a drag queen) is NOT a transgender, not in any way, shape or form.

and.....

[Wondergirl]

According to an online dictionary (Merriam-Webster), a transvestite is:

a person who wears clothes designed for the opposite sex : a cross-dresser.

The person has a choice in the matter.
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The same dictionary defines transgender:

of, relating to, or being a person whose gender identity is opposite the sex the person was identified as having at birth.

The person doesn't have a choice in the matter.

[jlisenbe]

The person has a choice in the matter.

Everyone has a choice. The TV can just as effectively argue that he was supposedly born with a desire to dress like a woman. It's always a choice, a decision, that takes place.

[Curlyben]

And the answer to the BIG ticket item is......

I guess, especially for Wondergirl, the question now is, What is a woman ?

[Wondergirl]

Everyone has a choice. The TV can just as effectively argue that he was supposedly born with a desire to dress like a woman. It's always a choice, a decision, that takes place.

Not at all. Of course, if the transgender chooses not to behave as the gender displayed, that person suffers GD. Gender dysphoria (GD) is currently understood by the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders as an incongruence between one’s affirmed gender and the gender assigned at birth (natal or biological sex).

[jlisenbe]

An "incongruence" between reality and my perception of reality is mental illness, or perhaps just deception. I imagine we all suffer from it at some level.

[Wondergirl]

An "incongruence" between reality and my perception of reality is mental illness, or perhaps just deception. I imagine we all suffer from it at some level.

Especially when your body says you're a male but your hormones and brain are screaming that you're a female.

[tomder55]

don't feel bad . SCOTUS Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson could not say what a woman was either .

Sen. Blackburn slams Judge Jackson on definition of 'woman' (nypost.com)

[jlisenbe]

your hormones and brain are screaming that you're a female.

Except that TG is not related to hormones. When hormones "scream" to a person that she is female, it's because she is female. There is no indication that I'm aware of that hormones have anything to do with TG. You have tried in the past to link some hormonal treatment of pregnant women to TG, but as has been pointed out frequently, that particular medical treatment was stopped fifty years ago, so you have been left, so far as I can see, with no support for that idea.

[Wondergirl]

Except that TG is not related to hormones. When hormones "scream" to a person that she is female, it's because she is female.

Yes, that person is male-looking when "he" takes off his clothes, but hormones and chromosomes say female.

[jlisenbe]

but hormones and chromosomes say female.

A completely absurd statement for which there is no support whatsoever, and which all of science plainly contradicts. It's a ridiculous idea to suggest that a person with male genitalia has female sex chromosomes. You really need to find some friends who have at least a basic understanding of biology.

[Wondergirl]

A completely absurd statement for which there is no support whatsoever, and which all of science plainly contradicts. It's a ridiculous idea to suggest that a person with male genitalia has female sex chromosomes. You really need to find some friends who have at least a basic understanding of biology.

Time for you to leave the science learning you got in the '70s and then handed out after that.

And no matter what I post, you'll spit on it. Please do honest research. Start with something general and simple to understand, like in Wikipedia.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_woman

Google: science transgender.