[tomder55]

Starting in January the Supreme Court will have to deal with Trump no matter how they have tried to avoid it. How about some Constitutional crisis to open the year ?!!

3 major cases are coming up that will have to be decided before the primary season begins in February -March.

The first one Inspector Javert Jack Smith has asked SCOTUS to decide if Trump enjoys executive immunity from prosecution. Smith wants a quick decision because the DC trial is scheduled to begin in March.

SCOTUS agreed to fast track that decision bypassing the normal appeals process.

Supreme Court agrees to quick review of Trump’s presidential immunity claim | Courthouse News Service

They have already also agreed to make a decision on some of the appeals from the January 6 riot cases. How those cases are settled could have an impact on Smith's charges against Trump.

It involves his charge that Trump "corruptly obstructing an official proceeding ".


A Supreme Court case may unravel Jack Smith's case against Trump (msnbc.com)


The last one has not officially been appealed yet . But I expect an appeal within days.

It is this nonsense in Colorado where the State Supreme Court (or rather 4 of 7 justices ) has decided that Trump can be removed from the November ballot in the state based on incredibly fanciful interpretations of the 14th amendment insurrection clause. The state is scheduled to print it's primary ballots January 5 . So if SCOTUS is to hear the case it will be by the 1st week in January .

The Compost's Ruth Marcos argues that SCOTUS should toss the case unanimously and that Trump should remain on the ballot.

Opinion | The Supreme Court should toss the Colorado case - The Washington Post

I completely agree . It was a sad day in 2000 when the court had to intervene in the Presidential election. It set a terrible precedent that has impacted every Presidential election since .

Do we believe in the democratic process or not ? If yes then we need to honor the people's choices right or wrong. This is especially true in this case where the state court invented charges ;and they are the judge ,jury and executioner against Trump for crimes he has never been charged with.

[jlisenbe]

New York is also looking into how they can remove Trump from the ballot. Now Trump has no chance of winning in either state, but it still illustrates just how terrified these people are of Trump. TDS seems to be more contagious than COVID.

[tomder55]

As I noted ;this movement has to be stopped and now. I put this right up there with the Ayatollahs deciding who is worthy to be on Iranian ballots .

[jlisenbe]

Completely agree.

[Wondergirl]

but it still illustrates just how terrified these people are of Trump.

Not terrified of -- instead, disgusted by.

[jlisenbe]

This has every opportunity to benefit Trump. It will fire up his base even more than it is presently, and they will all show up to vote next November, whereas Biden's campaign in mired in mediocrity, unable to point to a single outstanding accomplishment during his term. Additionally, it puts him in the victim chair, and makes the dems look like a third world, banana republic, making political decisions altogether outside of the rule of law.

It certainly seems to reflect a sense of desperation on the dem side. They see the train wreck approaching.

[Wondergirl]

Biden (AND Trump) is not a sure thing yet.

[tomder55]

None of that matters . All that matters is that a judiciary is meting out punishment for a crime that Trump is not being charged with .There was no trial . No due process. No jury finding him guilty of treason and insurrection (which has never been legally defined.) beyond reasonable doubt based on a preponderance of the evidence.

I add that they all stretched the meaning of the 14th amendment insurrection clause beyond reasonable limits .

The clause was added to bar former Confederates from serving as "officers " in the government .Yes if Trump led a secession from the US he would be guilty . An officer of the government is an appointed position not an elected one (Article II, Section 2, Clause 2) The people in a democracy have the power to choose their leaders .

[Wondergirl]

The clause was added to bar former Confederates from serving as "officers " in the government .

Confederates??? Yes, they are definitely that with a capital C!

Yes if Trump led a secession from the US he would be guilty.

And he will lead a session from the U.S. in the future. He has even warned us that those are his plans WHEN he's elected.

[tomder55]

he can't be convicted on what someone thinks he will do . 'The Atlantic ' has a whole issue on Trump will be a dictator . All it is is nothing more than expensive cat litter .

Confederates??? Yes, they are definitely that with a capital C!

and I suppose he was around in 1865 when the issue applied . Trump's America first agenda is hardly a rebellious movement .

And again this is a sidebar to the real issue. If the people can't choose who they elect than we do not have a democracy .

[jlisenbe]

Confederates??? Yes, they are definitely that with a capital C!

Thus strongly indicating that you have no idea of what a "Confederate" is.

It's just all TDS. There is no other explanation for it. He has a big mouth and can certainly be contentious, but he does have a functioning brain and a record of success unlike the person currently occupying the office.

If the people can't choose who they elect than we do not have a democracy

. You nailed it, Tom.

[Wondergirl]

Thus strongly indicating that you have no idea of what a "Confederate" is.

Then teach me!

It's just all TDS. There is no other explanation for it. He has a big mouth and can certainly be contentious, but he does have a functioning brain and a record of success unlike the person currently occupying the office.

His brain is no longer working. What successes? Biden is a non-issue. Trump is the topic on the table.

[jlisenbe]

A Confederate (Capital "C", as you said) is a supporter of the Confederate States of America. A person would have to be foolish to suggest that Donald Trump and other repubs are really Confederates, so I know you could not be suggesting that.

What successes did Trump have? Well, there would be a great economy, record low unemployment, low inflation, stable relations with foreign nations, "rule of law" appointees to the Supreme Court, 7 million new jobs, great increase in middle class income, and lowered taxes. Shall I continue???

[tomder55]

The Dems again prove they will use banana republic tactics to achieve their aims . They keep on bleating " defending democracy" as they flush it down the toilet .

The Capital C Confederates left the union and formed a separate nation .The clause in the 14th was designed to prevent those people ;who dragged the US into a war that cost us 600,000 + lives ,from serving in government .

That is what the plain text says .

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

There is no legal definition of what "insurrection " is . And Trump has not been even charged with insurrection or treason let alone tried or convicted of it .

How many in Congress could be charged with such for their part in fomenting insurrection in the George Floyd BLM and Antifa riots ?

How often was the Portland Courthouse fire bombed by rioters egged on by Dems in Congress who later contributed to the defense fund of the rioters ? Was that not giving aid and comfort ? Was that not disrupting and official proceeding ? Was it not insurrection when the White House was stormed and Secret Service had to move Trump to a safer location ?

For perspective . Whether Trump caused the Capitol riot or not ;can that be compared with forming a break away rebellion that caused a war claiming 600,000 lives ? Remember the US did not have a large population. In today's numbers we'd be looking at over 6 million deaths. It is proof that the Dems suffer from historical illiteracy for them to think it comparable.
For the record . one Capitol Police officer was beaten and died. One rioter was shot in cold blood by a Capitol Police officer 3 died of natural causes . 5 deaths total. The so called insurrectionists did not come with guns blazing . They came with cell phones taking selfies. The few that assaulted police of course deserve punishment fitting their crime.

Oh the irony . The justices in the Colorado Supreme Court are using a clause in the Constitution designed to punish representatives from break away states . The effect of their ruling if upheld will make Colorado ,and any state that goes along with it essentially break away states. Call it a Confederacy of TDS sufferers .

[jlisenbe]

The more this goes on, the more I wonder, "What does Trump have on these people? What are they so afraid of?"

[tomder55]

They took down the Tea Party movement easily with deep state tactics . They had thought that they had eliminated the last resistance to the uniparty dictatorship .

Then Trump upset the apple cart and defeated Evita while attacking the deep state legitimacy .
That was his unforgivable crime. Defeating him at the polls in 2020 was not enough . They have to make an example of him so no one else will seriously oppose them in the future .They will tolerate a McCaine ;Bush or a Romney . Outsiders to the club need not apply.

Still waiting for the release of the Epstein guest list . Will believe it when I see it

Judge orders release of associates named in Jeffrey Epstein lawsuit documents | AP News

[jlisenbe]

That was a really good observation, Tom. I copied that to Facebook.

The Epstein guest list is going to be a struggle.

[tomder55]

1 down SCOTUS decided to NOT fast track the Appeal of the DC court rejecting Trump's immunity contention. The appeal has to go to the Circus court . No doubt the court will rule against Trump ;which will set up a SCOTUS case anyway.

But the timeline blows a hole in the prosecution's plan to have a trial during the early primaries.

The Supreme Court tells special counsel Jack Smith to go away, in a big victory for Trump - Vox

The trial date is in jeopardy

[jlisenbe]

Sometimes I think it might as well be called the Epstein guess list.

[tomder55]

The Colorado Supreme Court consists of 7 Dem Justices. The decision was 4-3 which means that not all Dems are bat sh*t crazy.

One of the dissenters was Chief Justice Brian Boatright

He concluded his dissent this way

My opinion that this is an inadequate cause of action is dictated by the facts of this case, particularly the absence of a criminal conviction for an insurrection related offense.¶272 The questions presented here simply reach a magnitude of complexity not contemplated by the Colorado General Assembly for its election code enforcement statute. The proceedings below ran counter to the letter and spirit of the statutory timeframe because the Electors’ claim overwhelmed the process. In the absence of an insurrection-related conviction, I would hold that a request to disqualify a candidate under Section Three of the Fourteenth Amendment is not a proper cause of action under Colorado’s election code. Therefore, I would dismiss the claim at issue here. Accordingly, I respectfully dissent

23SA300.pdf (state.co.us)