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    #41

    Dec 7, 2023, 09:37 PM
    You liked Tom's remark about Iraqi men wearing "man dresses".

    Tom's remark was a slam and you agreed with it.

    You did NOT underline anything in Post #32 when you first said it.

    And!!!! JL, this fits you, not me -- you do this all the time. You get caught red-handed violating your own moralizing, in this case making mean-spirited, hateful comments and subjective judgments, and then rather than simply admit it and move on, you want to falsely accuse others of doing it. It really gets old.
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    Dec 8, 2023, 04:19 AM
    I'm betting every American deployed to the ME call the garb 'man dresses' . Yeah the left has their panties in a knot over the comment. That is a strange reaction if you ask me since clearly the left sees no issue with men dressing as women.

    It is called a 'throbe' . When I was in Iran ,before the Ayatollah's revolution , the men mostly wore jeans . They also wore mascara (khol). This was not to make themselves look feminine . It was added protection from the sun. The man dress is practical too. It protects the skin and at the same time the air flow cools the junk.
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    #43

    Dec 8, 2023, 05:26 AM
    You liked Tom's remark about Iraqi men wearing "man dresses".

    Tom's remark was a slam and you agreed with it.
    Tom simply quoted DeSantis. Neither he nor I made an observation that was derogatory. My comment had nothing to do with Iraqi men.

    You did NOT underline anything in Post #32 when you first said it.
    Correct. I never said I did.

    And!!!! JL, this fits you, not me -- you do this all the time. You get caught red-handed violating your own moralizing, in this case making mean-spirited, hateful comments and subjective judgments, and then rather than simply admit it and move on, you want to falsely accuse others of doing it. It really gets old.
    See what I mean? And that is from the person who said, "And Trump is fat, ugly, has a greasy orange face and neck. Don't even ask me about his hair," as well as, "No guesswork is needed. His very presence, gestures, facial expressions, and rambling verbiage say it." You get caught, and then you get mad. Happens all the time. You are utterly predictable.

    I don't care what the Iraqi men wear. I thought DeSantis's comment was somewhat unwise, but I like the fact that he was willing to cross what is, to some, a line in the sand. It was a shot across the bow of the woke crowd.

    I'm betting every American deployed to the ME call the garb 'man dresses' .
    I have no doubt that's true, and you can be sure that the Iraqi men had the same type of comments to make about Americans.
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    Dec 8, 2023, 09:46 AM
    From Salon today:

    Trump would not have such great power and potential in his claims on God King Dictator status if not for the many tens of millions of people who support him as part of the MAGA cult and those others who see him as a means of getting (more) power. Trump’s dangerousness would not be so severe if he did not have the institutional support, financing, planning, and agents who are willing to do his bidding as apparatchiks, "Little Eichmanns," and as senior leaders in the American neofascist movement.
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    Dec 8, 2023, 09:51 AM
    Trump would not have such great power and potential in his claims on God King Dictator status
    Just more hysterical nonsense. He has made no such claims. It amazes me how casually people will lie about Trump since they seem to be completely ignorant of his policy proposals.
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    Dec 8, 2023, 10:36 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Just more hysterical nonsense. He has made no such claims. It amazes me how casually people will lie about Trump since they seem to be completely ignorant of his policy proposals.
    Of course, he has made such claims. He was laughing but, knowing how he is, there's an undercurrent of seriousness and reality. And, once president again, he'd never surrender the presidency to anyone else.
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    Dec 8, 2023, 11:18 AM
    Of course, he has made such claims
    Other than the one interview on Hannity, where else has he made those claims?

    but, knowing how he is, there's an undercurrent of seriousness and reality. And, once president again, he'd never surrender the presidency to anyone else.
    And, of course, lacking objective claims, you resume the hysterical, subjective guesswork. Tom hit the nail on the head. It's just TDS at work. You readily violate your own self-proclaimed standards of civility in expressing your hatred of DT. It's the old advice we used to give our kids turned on its head. "Don't do what I do. Rather, just do what I say."
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    Dec 8, 2023, 11:33 AM
    The Dems and the compliant press are not really worried about a Trump dictatorship. Their real worry is that they may lose their brain dead sock puppet dictator .
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    Dec 8, 2023, 11:38 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    You readily violate your own self-proclaimed standards of civility in expressing your hatred of DT. It's the old advice we used to give our kids turned on its head. "Don't do what I do. Rather, just do what I say."
    In imitation of you in your hatred of Biden.
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    Dec 8, 2023, 11:45 AM
    In imitation of you in your hatred of Biden.
    First of all, even if that was true, it would never excuse your hateful comments. Secondly, it is not true. Find the place where I have made hateful comments about Biden on this level. "And Trump is fat, ugly, has a greasy orange face and neck. Don't even ask me about his hair." I try to limit my comments to Biden's policies. Goodness knows there is plenty there to keep a soul busy.

    Note to other readers. She will not even attempt to answer that. She never does. It'll just be more of, "Oh! Oh! You do it too!"

    Have you ever considered trying to become a responsible, thoughtful poster who can actually support her points?

    Tom, I think they are really afraid that Trump will come in and start digging. Perhaps they don't realize that DeSantis or Haley will likely do the same.
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    Dec 8, 2023, 12:09 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    I try to limit my comments to Biden's policies.
    You try ---- but fail.
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    Dec 8, 2023, 12:47 PM
    Find the place where I have made hateful comments about Biden on this level. "And Trump is fat, ugly, has a greasy orange face and neck. Don't even ask me about his hair." I try to limit my comments to Biden's policies. Goodness knows there is plenty there to keep a soul busy.

    Note to other readers. She will not even attempt to answer that. She never does. It'll just be more of, "Oh! Oh! You do it too!"
    LIke I said, utterly predictable.
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    #53

    Dec 9, 2023, 04:11 AM
    So who is the dictator ? Trump had 35 press conferences in his last year in office. Clueless Joe has not come close to that number his entire term.

    The Slimes says Trump will use the DOJ to investigate his opponents . Ironically being investigated by the Dems has been Trump's life since he first announced his candidacy in 2016 . Since leaving office all he has had to endure is 91 mostly politically motivated felony charges .

    Clueless Joe issued more EOs in his first 100 days than any previous President .

    Democracy is at stake is a tired old song that the Dems have sung for my whole adult life . Reagan ;the Bushes ;Trump have all been called dictators . Then they say well we called Reagan Hitler but we really meant Bush was Hitler. Well we called Bush Hitler but we REALLY meant Trump. It is as grating as listening to a worn out LP .

    This year the compliant press leaves no doubt about it . It is a coordinated drone like a boring Gregorian chant .They are all singing from the same hymnal
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    Dec 9, 2023, 06:32 AM
    It is the chorus of the non-thinkers. The material you listed above should certainly give pause to anyone singing from the anti-Trump hymnal, but rather amazingly, there does not seem to be adequate words to cause them to stop and consider what they are saying. There is just an eerie silence about Biden and a shrill hysteria about Trump. It is a strange sight.
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    Dec 11, 2023, 05:46 AM
    I think all this is their justification for their weaponization of politics . I got that from rereading the Robert Kagan screed I linked to on the OP .

    "Nor can you blame those who have hoped thereby to obstruct his path back to the Oval Office. When a marauder is crashing through your house, you throw everything you can at him — pots, pans, candlesticks — in the hope of slowing him down and tripping him up. "

    He all buts admits that the goal is not justice . It is an attempt to prevent Trump from becoming President again

    So who is the dictator ? Is it the one who reduced regulations ? Is it the one who reduced taxes ?

    Or is it the one who wants to force us to buy electric cars ;the one who wants to force us to give up gas appliances ? Is it the one who not only threatens but has used the Justice Dept to go after political opponents ? Is it the one who has forced tech companies to spy on Americans and to censure us ? Is it the one that sic's it's Justice Dept on concerned parents ;who don't want their children exposed to government approved pornography ;that denies parents a say when their child ;in a moment of identity crisis ,decides to mutilate their body ?

    The way to beat a dictator is to become a dictator in this rationalization. It's pure and simple projection. The loudest accusers are in fact the most guilty.
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    Dec 11, 2023, 06:20 AM
    In another example of Biden the dictator ; last week he threatened to seize patents of pharmaceutical companies. You see ;what the government (Congress Art 1 Sec 8 Clause 8 ) can grant ;a dictator can take away by fiat.

    It is called "march-in" authority which is a fitting name for this government power. The idea was introduced in the 1980 Bayh-Dole Act.The law was designed to spur innovation . It has been very successful.

    In the act is the "march-in" provision; a safeguard that gives the federal government the authority to require relicensing of a patent if good-faith efforts aren't being made to commercialize the research. In other words ;if a patent that was issued was sitting in the possession of a company ;and that company was letting it collect dust then the government could revoke the patent .

    This has nothing to do with the price of a drug. But Clueless wants to use it as a means to force the price of drugs.....just like a dictator would do ...command and control.
    Under their definition ;a drug they deem to be too expensive is subject to patent revoking .

    Biden Administration Releases Draft Framework for Exercising Bayh-Dole March-in Rights Taking Into Account Drug Prices | Foley Hoag LLP


    Bayh and Dole explained in 2002 that the law was NOT intended for the government to set prices.

    Bayh-Dole did not intend that government set prices on resulting products. The law makes no reference to a reasonable price that should be dictated by the government. This omission was intentional; the primary purpose of the act was to entice the private sector to seek public-private research collaboration rather than focusing on its own proprietary research.
    Our Law Helps Patients Get New Drugs Sooner - The Washington Post

    But dictators can make the rules as they go along.

    Clueless being clueless doesn't get that this is self defeating .He wants a so called "moon shot" on cancer treatments. The worse thing he can do is take steps to seize patents .That will only discourage the innovation he seeks .
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    Jan 21, 2024, 05:51 AM
    here we go again

    Fascism is everywhere on the march. And it’s Trump who sets the pace | Simon Tisdall | The Guardian
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    #58

    Feb 11, 2024, 08:46 AM
    The joke is that in 2016 ;the compliant press discovered that Trump was a ratings magnet . So the coverage good and bad was non-stop . It could be argued that they unintentionally gave a boost to his campaign.

    Study: Trump boosted, Clinton hurt by primary media coverage - POLITICO


    The compliant press learned their lesson . Now they ignore him .

    Broadcast networks take a pass on Trump 2024 announcement speech - The Washington Post

    Except when there is negative news to report .

    MSNBC Is Having Its Super Bowl With Donald Trump’s Indictments | Vanity Fair

    If Trump has a bad moment show it . If Clueless Joe mutters a rambling disconnected or the Secret Service keeps him from falling off the stage as Jill directs him to the steps ;ignore it.

    JFK Jr ? Only report what they believe are loony conspiracy theories about vaccines and space aliens . Same with No Labels They can only serve to get Trump elected . Ignore them.

    Coverage should be equal and non-bias. Don't hold your breath.

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