[jlisenbe]

So he suggested a line of research? Was that wrong?

[Wondergirl]

So he suggested a line of research? Was that wrong?

Science guy Trump? Yes, that was uncalled for, and at least expressed very badly.

[jlisenbe]

Uncalled for?

[jlisenbe]

It’s uncalled for to discuss med research? Since when?

[Wondergirl]

It’s uncalled for to discuss med research? Since when?

Since he had no idea what he was talking about. And a husband and wife even took him up on his medical knowledge.

[tomder55]

40 people shot in Chi town over the Holiday weekend 40 people in a city where handguns are illegal. Toughest gun laws in the nation . Criminals just refuse to listen to Mayor Beetlejuice.

Meanwhile Clueless made another false statement saying it was illegal to buy cannons at the time of the Framing.
And, by the way — it’s going to sound bizarre — I support the Second Amendment. You have a right. But from the very beginning, the Second Amendment didn’t say you can own any gun you want, big as you want. You couldn’t buy a cannon when, in fact, the Second Amendment passed. And certain people from the very beginning weren’t allowed to purchase guns. It’s nothing new. It’s just rational.
Remarks by President Biden Announcing Actions to Fight Gun Crime and His Nominee for ATF Director, Steve Dettelbach | The White HouseLast year he said "The Second Amendment, from the day it was passed, limited the type of people who could own a gun and what type of weapon you could own,"...You couldn’t buy a cannon."
Remarks by President Biden and Attorney General Garland on Gun Crime Prevention Strategy | The White House

During the campaign he said
From the very beginning you weren't allowed to have certain weapons. You weren't allowed to own a cannon during the Revolutionary War as an individual."

All his statements are false .

He has made false claims about the 2nd amendment for years . Federal laws restricting weapons came decades after the 2nd amendment was passed(1934) . The Framers never would've considered banning weapons.

As an example ,Privateers owned the most advanced weapons of the era . They contracted out their service . The government frequently commissioned their help .They would capture enemy ships for profit .

Biden cannot cite a single example where weapons were banned .When challenged in the past he dodged and weaved and says that there is a need today .

That is clearly debatable . What is not debatable is that his calls for bans have no historical root.

40 people shot in Chi town over the Holiday weekend 40 people in a city where handguns are illegal. Toughest gun laws in the nation . Criminals just refuse to listen to Mayor Beetlejuice. <br>
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Meanwhile Clueless made another false statement saying it was illegal to buy cannons at the time of the Framing.<br>
<em>And, by the way — it’s going to sound bizarre — I support the Second Amendment. You have a right. But from the very beginning, the Second Amendment didn’t say you can own any gun you want, big as you want. You couldn’t buy a cannon when, in fact, the Second Amendment passed. And certain people from the very beginning weren’t allowed to purchase guns. It’s nothing new. It’s just rational.<br>
</em><a href="https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2022/04/11/press-briefing-by-press-secretary-jen-psaki-april-11-2022/" target="_blank">Remarks by President Biden Announcing Actions to Fight Gun Crime and His Nominee for ATF Director, Steve Dettelbach | The White House</a><em><br>
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</em>Last year he said<em> "The Second Amendment, from the day it was passed, limited the type of people who could own a gun and what type of weapon you could own,"...You couldn’t buy a cannon."<br>
</em><a href="https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2021/06/23/remarks-by-president-biden-and-attorney-general-garland-on-gun-crime-prevention-strategy/" target="_blank">Remarks by President Biden and Attorney General Garland on Gun Crime Prevention Strategy | The White House</a><em><br>
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During the campaign he said <br>
<em>From the very beginning you weren't allowed to have certain weapons. You weren't allowed to own a cannon during the Revolutionary War as an individual."<br>
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</em>All his statements are false .<br><br>
He has made false claims about the 2nd amendment for years . Federal laws restricting weapons came decades after the 2nd amendment was passed . The Framers never would've considered banning weapons. <br><br>As an example ,Privateers owned the most advanced weapons of the era . They contracted out their service . The government frequently commissioned their help .They would capture enemy ships for profit . <br>
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Biden cannot cite a single example where weapons were banned .When challenged in the past he dodged and weaved and says that there is a need today . <br>
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That is clearly debatable . What is not debatable is that his calls for bans have no historical root.

[Wondergirl]

Second Amendment

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

[jlisenbe]

A militia is an informal military group under strictly local control. They ALL owned their own weapons thanks to the 2nd amendment.

[Wondergirl]

A militia is an informal military group under strictly local control. They ALL owned their own weapons thanks to the 2nd amendment.

Yes. Precisely. Nothing about gun ownership by non-militia.

[tomder55]

groan !!!

I have had this discussion a thousand times . The bill of rights are about individual liberties and what the government SHALL NOT do . Period

the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for few public officials." (George Mason,)

"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.” (Thomas Jefferson )

Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? It is feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American...[T]he unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.” (Tench Coxe)

“Americans have the right and advantage of being armed ― unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.” (James Madison)

The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them.”(Joseph Story)

[jlisenbe]

Yes. The militia was formed of armed citizens. It assumes the right of free people to be armed.

[jlisenbe]

Since he had no idea what he was talking about.

Just anti-Trump rhetoric. He didn't claim to have any great knowledge. He simply suggested something.

[Wondergirl]

Just anti-Trump rhetoric. He didn't claim to have any great knowledge. He simply suggested something.

That's pretty much what I said:

"Since he had no idea what he was talking about."

[jlisenbe]

That's pretty much what I said:

"Since he had no idea what he was talking about."

But you have no idea of what he knew, so you really can't say that. It was just anti-Trump rhetoric, pure and simple.

[tomder55]

Correct . One can assume that Trump was privy to information that we are not aware of .It was also premature to make the suggestion if such things were in preliminary research phase . He did not have the technical expertise or a complete understanding to express it in a way that wouldn't be mocked . Clearly all options were on the table at the time As an example ,Thimerosal is a disinfectant that is used in vaccines as a preservative . (although it is being phased out because of irrational fears about mercury). Whatever research on the issue related to the covid pandemic would've been in a very preliminary stage.
UVa exposure is very effective . When I was involved in the production of sterile products ,the final step of gowning before entering a sterile work environment was to walk through a chamber that was lit by UV . There is a company that has been doing studies of inserting tubes with UVa light into the lungs .

[tomder55]

The ruling class has a simple answer to the moral decay that leads to gun violence. Their solution? Take away the rights of law-abiding citizens and give themselves more power over the people. As with most benevolent despots, they do this for our own good. BTW who or what is guilty of the greatest mass murders in world history? Of course; it is governments . Historically weapon bans have been the prelude to such violence.

The Ten Commandments were not posted on line by Robb Elementary shooter Ramos. The Ten Commandments were not posted on line by Payton Gendron ,the Buffalo shooter in his manifesto . I searched and I could find no instance where one of these shooters posted the Ten Commandments . <sarc> So of course the Ten Commandments should be banned , Makes sense to me </sarc>

[jlisenbe]

The goals of liberal dems are becoming clearer. President Biden hinted around at a ban on some types of handguns yesterday.

"They said a .22-caliber bullet will lodge in the lung, and we can probably get it out — may be able to get it and save the life. A 9mm bullet blows the lung out of the body," Biden said.

"So, the idea of these high-caliber weapons is, uh, there’s simply no rational basis for it in terms of self-protection, hunting," Biden added. "Remember, the Constitution was never absolute."

There are many in the fed gov that would be thrilled if we were all limited to 22 caliber weapons.

Justin Trudeau, never one to let a crisis go to waste, went much further. His goal is clearly to have a disarmed populace in Canada, completely subservient to the government.

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announced Monday that his government is introducing legislation to "implement national freeze on handgun ownership" throughout the country.
"What this means is that it will no longer be possible to buy, sell, transfer or import handguns anywhere in Canada," Trudeau said at a press conference.
"We recognize that the vast majority of gun owners use them safely and in accordance with the law, but other than using firearms for sport shooting and hunting, there is no reason anyone in Canada should need guns in their everyday lives."

The almighty government has spoken.

[tomder55]

I find I am often correcting misconceptions in my discussions about gun rights. As I previously noted, Clueless is frequently wrong in his declarations. Yet he can make laws by fiat that would restrict the constitutional rights of law-abiding citizens. He said this .....a 9mm bullet will blow a “lung out of the body.”

A 9mm is a powerful round . No doubt about it . It is popular with law enforcement and with conceal and carry folks . In truth it is one of the smallest rounds . It is effective . But it does not blow out body organs . Clueless made that up out of whole cloth .

He is not alone .Patricia Eddington, a former state legislator from NY sponsored a bill against ammo (heat seeking bullets ) .She said in a video presentation that "Some of these bullets, as you saw, have an incendiary device on the tip of it, which is a heat-seeking device. So, you don’t shoot deer with a bullet that size. If you do, you could cook it at the same time "

Heat Seeking Bullets - YouTube

Bring your fork and knife to the deer hunt .Shoot and cook your dinner at the same time ! .

Thomas Binger, the prosecuting attorney in the Rittenhouse case. He made uninformed comments about hollow point bullets . The judge had to correct him .He said they explode on impact as if they were a grenade. They expand on impact .They don't explode. At one point he ;ala Alex Baldwin, picked up a rifle with his finger on the trigger and aimed it at trial attendees


Senior Senator Dianne Feinstein said
We have federal regulations and state laws that prohibit hunting ducks with more than three rounds. And yet it’s legal to hunt humans with 15-round, 30-round, even 150-round magazines.

Actually hunting humans is not legal with any round .But there is a legal way to kill humans . It is called abortion.

These are people who presumably know the facts .

[jlisenbe]

"Some of these bullets, as you saw, have an incendiary device on the tip of it, which is a heat-seeking device. So, you don’t shoot deer with a bullet that size. If you do, you could cook it at the same time "

The ignorance of these people is appalling. Either they are genuinely stupid, or they are engaged in a campaign of national propaganda. And in your video the reporter, ever compliant, never bothered to check the silly assertion. Ten minutes on the internet would have shown her that there is no such thing as a heat seeking rifle bullet.

[jlisenbe]

One note. The Eddington video, I'm pretty sure, is from 2008 or so.