[jlisenbe]

Because marriage requires discipline and self-denial, and we don't like that. And when women adopt a loose attitude towards sexual involvement with men, then one of the encouragements towards marriage disappears. No-fault divorce has been another enemy of marriage.

[Wondergirl]

So it's the fault of women.

Why don't men tell them no?

[jlisenbe]

So it's the fault of women.

Who said that?

Why don't men tell them no?

We certainly should, but men tend to follow their animal instincts in such instances.

[Wondergirl]

Who said that?

You did, first thing.: "And when women adopt a loose attitude towards sexual involvement with men..."

He can't say no? His "animal instincts" take over.

[tomder55]

Overturning Roe is returning law making to the people's representatives away from the black robed unelected oligarchs.

[jlisenbe]

I did not say it was the fault of women. Many women are behaving foolishly as are many men. Both sexes should behave more responsibly.

[Wondergirl]

Albert Ellis, the famous psychologist, said, "Don't should on yourself."

Too often both sexes don't behave responsibly. Yet the "problem" -- and its solution -- falls on the woman. The man, smiling, walks away.

[jlisenbe]

Too often both sexes don't behave responsibly. Yet the "problem" -- and its solution -- falls on the woman. The man, smiling, walks away.

To be certain, the woman takes practically all the risks. If I was a woman, I'd be VERY careful. There are many careless, deceitful men out there. When I go to bed at night, I'm careful to lock the doors. I don't wish to take the risks of unlocked doors, and I'm not going to appeal for more caring, loving burglars. My house is my responsibility and no one else's.

[Wondergirl]

Locking the door. Thus, a chastity belt would be most helpful.

How does a woman know when a man is deceitful?

[jlisenbe]

How does a woman know when a man is deceitful?

Same way you tell if any person is deceitful. Are they manipulative? Are they honest? Do they keep their word? Time, time, time. It comes out eventually.

[Wondergirl]

Time, time, time. It comes out eventually.

Time, time, time. How long do I have to be with him before "it" comes out?

When they have an end goal in sight, they are perfect gentlemen. I can tell you stories 'til the cows come home.

[jlisenbe]

How long? Depends on how much you value yourself.

[Wondergirl]

How long? Depends on how much you value yourself.

But the woman hasn't yet experienced any deceit. He's very clever.

[jlisenbe]

Yep. Time, time, time. But that woman knows deceit. She need only look in her own heart.

[Wondergirl]

Yep. Time, time, time. But that woman knows deceit. She need only look in her own heart.

Nope, she's an innocent.

Let's you and me write a children's book about how to identify deceit in someone! Maybe we would be guests on Dr. Phil!

[jlisenbe]

Sure she is.

[Wondergirl]

Sure she is.

She's 15. Just started dating. Church group activities only!

[jlisenbe]

There are few things more devious than a teenager. You claim to be a counselor and you don’t know that???

[Wondergirl]

There are few things more devious than a teenager. You claim to be a counselor and you don’t know that???

Not the ones I grew up with and raised and have known. Must be something in Southern cooking or parenting that makes them devious.

I CLAIM to be a counselor????

[jlisenbe]

Strange that you always consider yourself to be the noble exception. Well, you won’t sell me on that nonsense. Not buying today.

I think you read too much fiction.