[jlisenbe]

Would you say he might have been just like Adam before the fall?

No. Adam was not divine, and Adam was capable of sinning.

He is Humanity. He is Just like us. Not minus the Sin...he became sin, He conquered Sin, so now Sin/Darkness is irrelevant...it lost it's power.

He became sin on the cross, but He was not a sinner. He had no sin nature and He committed no sins.

[waltero]

Okay, have it your way.
Jesus isn't the second Adam. Jesus wasn't tempted. Jesus didn't feel or go through all human emotions.

He had no sin nature

Flesh. Took our Sin. Died. Justified.

God took on Sin...our Darkness has turned into light...it wasn't made light.

[jlisenbe]

Okay, have it your way.
Jesus isn't the second Adam. Jesus wasn't tempted. Jesus didn't feel or go through all human emotions.

I never said those things. I said Jesus never sinned and He had no sin nature as we do. "Which of you convinces me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?”

Flesh. Took our Sin. Died. Justified.

God took on Sin...our Darkness has turned into light...it wasn't made light.

All good points.

[Wondergirl]

God needs me!

I agree.

God needs me to tell others about His love --
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Matt. 28:19 (KJV)

God needs me to show His love to others --

A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another as I have loved you. John 13:34 (KJV)

[jlisenbe]

We are needed in one sense. Yes, it is needful for us to tell people the Gospel message and to love others. However, we are certainly not needed in the sense that God could not get along without us. He managed without us through all the ages of eternity. "Do not presume to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our ancestor’; for I tell you, God is able from these stones to raise up children to Abraham. Matthew 3:9"

Still waiting to see the scripture that says God "needs" us.

[Wondergirl]

Still waiting to see the scripture that says God "needs" us.

I posted two so far.

[jlisenbe]

You have posted scriptures where we are told to go and do things. You've posted nothing about God needing us.

[Wondergirl]

You have posted scriptures where we are told to go and do things. You've posted nothing about God needing us.

How will God spread His Word and His love without us?

[jlisenbe]

That's fine and good as far as it goes. But when you start thinking that God cannot get by without you, then you've gone too far. As it was said to Esther, “Do not imagine that you are safe in the king’s palace, you alone of all the Jews. 14 Even if you now remain silent, relief and deliverance will come to the Jews from another source;[b] but you and your father’s house will perish. Who knows—perhaps it was for a time like this that you became queen?” So God "needed" Esther in His plan, but she, like us, was entirely replaceable.

[Wondergirl]

That's fine and good as far as it goes. But when you start thinking that God cannot get by without you

I'm not starting to think that.

How will God spread His Word and His love without us?

[jlisenbe]

If we refuse, He will find others. Doesn't the Esther passage make that abundantly clear? Didn't the Exodus passage make that very plain?

You really think God views that as a problem?

[Wondergirl]

How will God spread His Word and His love without us?

How will God spread His Word and His love without us?

[jlisenbe]

If we refuse, He will find others. Doesn't the Esther passage make that abundantly clear? Didn't the Exodus passage make that very plain?

You really think God views that as a problem?

[Wondergirl]

How will God spread His Word and His love without us? Us is all who believe and love in His name. How did we come into belief and are able to love? Through others who were brought into the faith by others who were brought into the faith by others who were brought into....

[jlisenbe]

If we refuse, He will find others. Doesn't the Esther passage make that abundantly clear? Didn't the Exodus passage make that very plain?

You really think God views that as a problem?

"Do not presume to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our ancestor’; for I tell you, God is able from these stones to raise up children to Abraham. Matthew 3:9"

[Wondergirl]

You and I aren't in the same rowboat. I'm done here.

[jlisenbe]

Fair enough.

[waltero]

God needs me to tell others about His love

NO, NO, NO! NO!!!

How will God spread His Word and His love without us?

A lot easier.

God needs me to show His love to others.

It's not for show. Life is not a stage. If life were a stage, then you'd be just another actress!

You're missing it Girl. It has absolutely nothing to do with us! You are not in it, I am not in it.
It's the LIfe!!! The Life that is in you...provided you have that life...Baptism isn't what you're looking for either.

Adam was not divine, and Adam was capable of sinning.
Why, why did Adam Sin? Why did Jesus take on Sin?

Still waiting to see the scripture that says God "needs" us.

The Bible is not a textbook.

[Wondergirl]

WG: God needs me to tell others about His love

NO, NO, NO! NO!!!

Yes, He does. He says so in the Bible. It's a command. "Go ye therefore and teach...."

It's not for show. Life is not a stage. If life were a stage, then you'd be just another actress!

There are several definitions for the word "show". You are looking at the wrong one.

You're missing it Girl. It has absolutely nothing to do with us!

It has EVERYTHING to do with us!

[jlisenbe]

Still waiting to see the scripture that says God "needs" us.


The Bible is not a textbook.

Yes, it is. It is many things, but it is certainly our source of objective truth about God, so if you make a claim about God, you should find it clearly in the Bible.

WG, there is an enormous difference between God giving us a command versus God needing us.