[Athos]

Several thousand Afghanis who aided the US Military in that long war as translators and interpreters, some even in combat, are waiting to be transported to safety in the US before they are killed by the Taliban. One young man has been waiting 4 years (!!) for a visa.

So what's the holdup? Biden has repeatedly confirmed that these allies should be admitted to the US, but it's not happening. A person involved has complained that the delay lies with the Department of Homeland Security. These bureaucratic morons say that once the Afghan allies arrive on US soil, they will have more rights than if they had not been on US soil, and therefore would have access to due process if necessary to appeal a ruling.

I'm not making this up.

They have already been vetted by the US Army before fighting alongside our soldiers, so how much more vetting is necessary? Even so, why would the many thousands be delayed because of the possibility of one being questionable?

Instead of routing them through Guam, a US territory whose governor has written to Biden offering Guam as a transit point as they have done in the past, the DHS has suggested they be routed through a third country which is not US soil and where they will have no rights to appeal a ruling. Biden hasn't answered the letter according to the governor.

The ones who worked alongside British and French forces have already been safely transported to those countries without delay.

Someone needs to give the boys at DHS a kick in the arse to get our allies to safety before the Taliban gets to them.

[Wondergirl]

What about their families?

[Athos]

What about their families?

The majority have families with small children. The families are included. Guam was the transit point for hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese families, as were Kurdish families.

[tomder55]

I completely agree with the sentiment of the op. I fear we are witnessing a repeat of the end of Vietnam . When you see the images of copters on the roof of the US Embassy in Saigon evacuating Marines and embassy personnel, realize that they were not escaping NV regulars or Vietcong. The embassy was overrun by people who had assisted the US and were looking for sanctuary and escape from retribution


'No one Left Behind' is an organization addressing this concern that deserves our support .

No One Left Behind - Non-Profit Charity

According to the organization, on average, two former Afghan translators have been killed a month since the beginning of the year.

I hope this is the final nail in the Colin Powell 'Pottery Barn' rule . You can go to war for good reasons ......destroy a country that is an enemy or harbors enemies ,and not be responsible for fixing it . We went to Afghanistan because the Taliban refused to stop giving Bin Laden shelter and a base of operations . We worked with the Northern Alliance to take them out . At that point we should've handed it over to the Alliance instead of attempting to build a democratic nation as we imagine it .

[paraclete]

You don't get it you never defeated the Taliban, you can't defeat an idea with guns, they just faded into the population and carried on a twenty year insurgency and now you have given up

[jlisenbe]

I agree with Athos on this one. They should be gotten over here ASAP. We could just fly them into Juarez and tell them to walk across like practically everyone else.

[jlisenbe]

you can't defeat an idea with guns,

That's a pretty fair comment. Don't think the German Nazis would agree with you, but it's still a good comment. It's certainly difficult.

Is the Taliban merely an idea, or is it an organized group of terrorists?

[tomder55]

The Taliban was DEFEATED ;driven from power for 20 years .The idea is Islamic jihadistan .That has not been defeated .

We tried to manufacture a western style democratic government . That was a bridge too far . Had we handed off to the Afghanis and walked away telling them that we would take them out again f they became a terrorist base again we would've saved American lives and a whole lot of money .

Now what will happen is that the Taliban will assume control with their Paki allies and China will enter the Great Game as the Paki allies . China's turn in the cauldron .

When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains, and the women come out to cut up what remains, jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains and go to your gawd like a soldier.

[paraclete]

why is this an afterthought? you knew when you were leaving, we knew when we were leaving, extra aircraft should have been laid on. It isn't as though you didn't control the airfields and air space

[Athos]

why is this an afterthought? you knew when you were leaving, we knew when we were leaving, extra aircraft should have been laid on. It isn't as though you didn't control the airfields and air space

The reason for the delay is given in post #1.

[paraclete]

The delay is political, f##kups always are

[jlisenbe]

Speaking of "You can't make this stuff up," the annual Demographic Report put out by the DNI used this pic on its cover. The problem? The whole thing was cooked up, being assembled by using stock photos available on the web. So the people in the picture DON'T work for the intelligence community. It is especially true of the woman in the wheelchair and the blind man who had to be added to the original stock photo. And good money (that we don't have) is used to cook this stuff up. https://www.bizpacreview.com/2021/07...rsity-1101750/

[tomder55]

of note ;the Taliban started the new offensive May 1 . The very day Trump announced to the world that the US would ending it's involvement and leaving the country . I said it then that it was a mistake to announce a date certain withdrawal . But I never thought there would be an irresponsible bug out in the dead of night leaving behind human assets deserved better from us .

[jlisenbe]

It was irresponsible. Can't see how anyone else will trust us after this debacle.

[paraclete]

another news flash only the stupid trust you. When needed I fear you won't be there

[jlisenbe]

The Aussies, on the other hand, don't have anything to be there with.

[paraclete]

We have a long record of doing much with little, you forget we fought in two world wars with honour and distinction

[jlisenbe]

You have a long history of doing little with little.

[paraclete]

at least we don't have along history of B/S and F##kups

[jlisenbe]

Hard to mess up when you attempt but little.