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Jul 1, 2021, 10:29 PM
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so back to China. 100 years of the CCP, they have achieved much. The only really successful communist society. It is a shame they taint it with jingoism. It must be remembered that China before the communist takeover was a very corrupt society with an ongoing civil war. Many years on the issues are different. It is difficult for us to understand that capitalism cannot lift a peasant society out of poverty easily. Communism didn't succeed in Russia, dictatorship took over, and China is in the dictatorship phase
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Jul 2, 2021, 04:31 AM
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Capitalism alone can't do it . There also needs to be liberty.
Exactly. Free enterprise.
It will be interesting to see what happens once Xi departs. He's 68 and seems to be in good health, so it might be some time yet.
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Jul 2, 2021, 05:57 AM
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China is overdue for a revolution against the tyranny of the CCP .
Good luck with that, there are 95 million party members
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Jul 2, 2021, 05:59 AM
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Only 10% of the country, and many of them are likely lukewarm at best.
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Jul 2, 2021, 06:03 AM
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It is like the Nazi Party in Germany . Many were not true believers . It was like joining a labor union.
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Jul 2, 2021, 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by tomder55
It is like the Nazi Party in Germany . Many were not true believers . It was like joining a labor union.
Yes but just like Nazi Germany they are a pool of informers, reeducation camps are real, ask the Uyghurs
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Jul 2, 2021, 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Only 10% of the country, and many of them are likely lukewarm at best.
Now he's an expert on China. Being an expert on hell wasn't enough for him. He can find more babies to torture.
Originally Posted by tomder55
It is like the Nazi Party in Germany . Many were not true believers . It was like joining a labor union.
Joining the Nazis was like joining a labor union? Did you really say that, tomder?
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Jul 2, 2021, 09:48 AM
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indeed I did . Hitler banned unions in 1933 because he wanted the loyalty of the labor movement . He replaced that with the DAF German Labor Front .Nazi members advanced further than non-members in the workplace . For many , the decision to join the Nazi Party was a pro-active calculation of the benefits they would derive from the Nazi program.
The Berlin Document Center holds registration cards for about 11 million Germans who joined the party (some are duplicates because people who dropped out and rejoined were issued new cards )
They did NOT join because of their antisemitism They joined for economic considerations . Many joined before 1933 and well before the purge of Jews became the Nazi cause . A disproportionate number of people who joined the party worked in industries, such as construction or food production, that benefited from policies intended to protect the domestic market.
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Jul 2, 2021, 09:58 AM
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They joined for economic and social reasons, but I imagine they stayed in out of fear of reprisals.
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Jul 2, 2021, 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by tomder55
For many , the decision to join the Nazi Party was a pro-active calculation of the benefits they would derive from the Nazi program.
They did NOT join because of their antisemitismns . Many joined before 1933 and well before the purge of Jews became the Nazi cause .
The Nazi Party was antisemitic from its founding by Anton Drexler. I'm sure Germans also had other reasons for joining the Party but let's not whitewash what was always a despicable organization. The Parry was composed of far more than a lukewarm 10%.
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Jul 2, 2021, 11:48 AM
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In no way do I whitewash the party . What I am saying is that most members joined because having a job depended on it. DAF membership was "voluntary, " But any workers in any area of German commerce or industry would have found it hard to get a job without being a member. No not 10 % . Affiliates like the DAF had 25 million .In total about 45 million Germans were officially enrolled in Nazi programs .
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Jul 2, 2021, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by tomder55
In no way do I whitewash the party . What I am saying is that most members joined because having a job depended on it. DAF membership was "voluntary, " But any workers in any area of German commerce or industry would have found it hard to get a job without being a member. No not 10 % . Affiliates like the DAF had 25 million .In total about 45 million Germans were officially enrolled in Nazi programs .
Ok. Understood.
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Jul 2, 2021, 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by tomder55
In no way do I whitewash the party . What I am saying is that most members joined because having a job depended on it. DAF membership was "voluntary, " But any workers in any area of German commerce or industry would have found it hard to get a job without being a member. No not 10 % . Affiliates like the DAF had 25 million .In total about 45 million Germans were officially enrolled in Nazi programs .
Sounds like the current GOP under the disgraced dufus.
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Jul 2, 2021, 08:19 PM
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Ok I apologise for using the word nazi thereby allowing you to sidetrack the thread once again. As the british used to say of the DAF you would have to be daft to own one
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Jul 3, 2021, 01:27 AM
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The comparison is valid . The CCP in reality is a secret society; an elite Xi cult .Membership numbers are deceptive . Leadership is less than a dozen and the ranks of potential successors is shrinking as Xi purges the party . When I was a kid I knew many people who would join a political party for the potential patronage job opportunities . As an example ;New York City was controlled by the Democrat Tammany Hall for many years (I would argue they still do) .
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Jul 3, 2021, 04:07 AM
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Sometimes it is hard to tell the capitalist from the communists.
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Jul 3, 2021, 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by tomder55
The comparison is valid . ........................................ ;New York City was controlled by the Democrat Tammany Hall for many years (I would argue they still do) .
Those damn Democrats - sending their tanks down Fifth Avenue killing thousands.
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Jul 3, 2021, 05:55 PM
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Yes this must stop, no more presidential motorcades
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