[Wondergirl]

"Don't do as I do, do as I say"...your response to Titus 2:3-5?

Yep, that's what we do at my house. When his health and negativity prevent him from doing something, I'm there for him to get the job done.

[Athos]

I thought you claimed the Bible was written by God. Do I have that wrong?

You do indeed. I've never said that.

Fair enough. I had that wrong.

So you DO accept that God exterminated the entire human race? How did he judge babies and children deserving extermination?

I've never denied it. It is plainly taught in the Bible, and I accept it.

Wow - that is one sick God you believe in. Slaughtering babies and children doesn't seem like much of a difference between that and dashing their brains against the rocks. I suppose you accept that, too. You even seem proud of it.

It has nothing to do with the meaning of words.

It has EVERYTHING to do with the meaning of words! That's what words are - symbols with meaning.

The meanings are abundantly clear. You don't like what they say and so don't accept them,

No normal human being would accept them. Any human being who does like them is as sick as the monstrous God who did the deed. Of course, they are a piece of fiction borrowed from another culture that was before the Israelites. WHY they are in the Bible is another question. That might be a good subject for a Genesis discussion.

but to suggest that the meaning of the words is unclear is completely wrong.

No one suggested they were unclear. Heaven forbid! They couldn't be any clearer- or sicker.

Still wondering why, in your description of complementarianism, you failed to include the word "complement"

There was no need to include the word - it was in the title and eminently clear what it was. What I posted was also eminently clear - even supported by Paul.

Your criticism of not including the word "complement" in the description is never a good way to define/describe a word - using the word in its own definition is verboten. "Red is the color of red". Get it?

or failing that at least include the concept? You plainly cannot adequately convey the meaning without including that. Why didn't you?

Because my point was made. That women are subject to men. Any other possible aspects of complementarianism were not germane to my post. Get it?

[jlisenbe]

You do not like God. Duly noted.

the meaning of words is clear. We agree, so fine. Perhaps I misunderstood you.

You just missed it on complementarianism. You wildly misrepresented it.

[waltero]

"Don't do as I do, do as I say"...your response to Titus 2:3-5?
Yep, that's what we do at my house.

Let's jump back 50 years, I suppose the truth holds true then as it does now?

[Wondergirl]

Let's jump back 50 years, I suppose the truth holds true then as it does now?

Please explain or restate your question.

[Athos]

You do not like God. Duly noted.

I do not like YOUR God! Duly noted?

You just missed it on complementarianism. You wildly misrepresented it.

Then why did Paul exactly support my statement?

[waltero]

Please explain or restate your question.

No need to answer, I get it. Titus 2:3-5- is irrelevant (50 yrs ago as well as today) in your house.

[Wondergirl]

No need to answer, I get it. Titus 2:3-5- is irrelevant (50 yrs ago as well as today) in your house.

Titus 2:3-5 is VERY relevant in my house!

[jlisenbe]

My God is not concerned about who you like/dislike.

You simply missed it.

[Wondergirl]

[Jesus] clearly limited marriage to a man and a woman.

Why didn't he marry?

[Athos]

My God is not concerned about who you like/dislike.

That's pretty obvious. Your God is not concerned about anything except as a figment of somebody's imagination.

(Note to self: Why am I having this discussion?)

[jlisenbe]

Jesus getting married was not the purpose for which He came.

[Wondergirl]

Jesus getting married was not the purpose for which He came.

He was a carpenter for years. He could have easily married. Maybe He wasn't interested in women.

[jlisenbe]

He could also have become a Pharisee. He could have done many things which would have detracted from why He came. Having a wife and family would have caused problems.

[Wondergirl]

He could also have become a Pharisee. He could have done many things which would have detracted from why He came. Having a wife and family would have caused problems.

I didn't say anything about family. He didn't start His ministry until He was 30 -- plenty of time before that to marry. I married at 21. How old were you?

[jlisenbe]

Are you the Son of God and destined to die on the cross for the salvation of man??

[Wondergirl]

Are you the Son of God and destined to die on the cross for the salvation of man??

So He had a human mother and father. Why not a wife too -- who could have stood at the foot of the cross with His mother, together watching their beloved family member suffering beyond human knowing and then dying, having been wrongly labeled a criminal?

[waltero]

Why not a wife too

Because the Church is his Bride.

Some of whom went out to get more oil...don't miss out!

Are you the Son of God and destined to die on the cross for the salvation of man?

In a way, yes.

[Wondergirl]

Because the Church is his Bride.

It wasn't when He was here on earth.

[waltero]

It wasn't when He was here on earth.

Your light is getting dim WG, running low on oil, are you?

Jesus is God, as we are Jesus, as woman is Man...we should freely Submit, to our head.

GOD was added to...not subtracted but added to.
GOD is + 100%, Jesus / Jesus is + 100%, Man / Man is +100%, Jesus / Woman is +100%, Man.
(God) Jesus became Sin...GOD became something he is not...GOD was added to.

Jesus Christ - the Perfect Reflection of God John 1:14-18 It is Christ alone who has revealed God the Father to man. It is written that "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, He hath declared Him.