[jlisenbe]

counter offer . Just say no . Don't do it

Exactly. Don't spend money you don't have for stuff you don't need. Not really complicated.

[talaniman]

You have the just say NO part down pat! We disagree about the need part, especially when you consider the return on investment within a decade and job-creation aspect that you no counting old Coots ignore!

[tomder55]

if there was such a return on investment then private investment would cover it .

[jlisenbe]

Exactly. Using the term "investment" for government spending is on the same level as referring to tax revenues as "gifts". It's simply ridiculous. It's what politicians have been doing since Obama to justify their stupid spending plans.

[talaniman]

if there was such a return on investment then private investment would cover it .

I don't hear the rich guys squawking about raising their taxes to defray costs even the ones that pay no taxes...just politicians...publicly at least.

[paraclete]

I don't hear the rich guys squawking about raising their taxes to defray costs even the ones that pay no taxes...just politicians...publicly at least.

Tal why squawk when you pay little tax, better to just lobby for more offsets, meanwhile the ones who will pay the tax are the wage plugs, the middle class and the stupid. If private investment were the bee all and end all, government largesse would be unnecessary but government, aka the administration, needs to be seen to be doing something

[tomder55]

They don' t squawk . They vote with their actions . Well almost never squawk . Lately they found it judicious to do the woke squawk . My comment stands . If the government has to prop up a sector of the economy with public money then that sector probably should not exist in the market .... the exception being defense related . The worse public expenditure is to prop up rent seekers who's existence is due to the government trying to command create a market .

[jlisenbe]

The liberal dems want to insist that an "infrastructure" bill is absolutely necessary, and then put forward an "infrastructure" bill that is largely NOT about infrastructure. Taxes will be raised sufficient to cover about half the cost, so deficit spending will increase even more. The public, sadly, has become dumb enough to accept all of this. Perhaps in two years the liberal dems will get massacred in the elections. One can only hope.

[paraclete]

oh please jl you know that everything under the sun is stapled to a spending bill, stop the righteous indignation

[jlisenbe]

oh please jl you know that everything under the sun is stapled to a spending bill,

Yeah. We certainly wouldn't want to oppose corruption and deception in our government. Just let the rot continue. That's the Clete philosophy of citizenship?

When our stupid government runs up massive debts that my children and grandchildren will be saddled with for decades, then you better believe I'll shout about it. Perhaps you don't care about your children, but I care about mine.

[paraclete]

Yeah. We certainly wouldn't want to oppose corruption and deception in our government. Just let the rot continue. That's the Clete philosophy of citizenship?

When our stupid government runs up massive debts that my children and grandchildren will be saddled with for decades, then you better believe I'll shout about it. Perhaps you don't care about your children, but I care about mine.

Not my philosophy, we don't allow such shenanigans and rightly so. Yes I care about my children and my grandchildren but only recently have we had a government willing to spend lavishly in the face of adversity so I see the problem in a different light. The economy must move and if certain sectors need help, then help should be given to get things moving. If you didn't have the preponderance of government weighing things down at every level, things might seem clearer to you too

[talaniman]

Let the fringers tell it then anything anybody does for ordinary people who have little or no wealth then it's corrupt. If it costs a few bucks then it's debt. When they give rich guys mo'money then it's not debt or corruption.

Yeah they may worry about their kids and grand kids, but nobody else's for sure, unless you believe their LIES!

[paraclete]

what ever happened to the idea of trickle down economics, give the rich more money and they will create jobs? A somewhat discredited theory that appears to be still in vogue

[talaniman]

what ever happened to the idea of trickle down economics, give the rich more money and they will create jobs? A somewhat discredited theory that appears to be still in vogue

Trickle down is still the repub mantra (though rebranded and marketed by the JOB CREATORS) and tax cuts always are the fuel along with generous legislation to legalize stealing and protect those lucrative extractions through the tax code. Which makes any po people program socialism even though it helps the middle classers mostly.

Just ask the conservative repubs here who always complain about the dems being socialist, and taking their money and running up deficits for their kids to repay. Understandable if your standing under the table when the crumbs fall, but forget it if you aren't invited under the table. In all honesty though that's what repubs are paid to do.

They just abandoned any semblance of caring about the deficit, or paying for anything, until dems get into control.

[paraclete]

You think someone controls this, well maybe in the very high echelons of the gnomes of Zurich, but it is just lurching from one mistake to another

[tomder55]

if they find they can get a better deal by being rent seekers that is the course they will take . The Dems lie out of their a$$ when they complain about corporate influence in the political process .

[paraclete]

Yes, loaning money and owning property is always more lucrative than taking risk and being productive. However if we all adopted that attitude returns would quickly fall

[talaniman]

You think someone controls this, well maybe in the very high echelons of the gnomes of Zurich, but it is just lurching from one mistake to another

Money is power and influence. Always has been since the days of early man so what's your point?

if they find they can get a better deal by being rent seekers that is the course they will take . The Dems lie out of their a$$ when they complain about corporate influence in the political process .

See above and tell me it's just the dems lying about money in politics. Is that why the dufus and repubs lie and get donations up the ying yang?

[paraclete]

Money is power and influence. . Is that why the dufus and repubs lie and get donations up the ying yang?

You answered your own question, not everyone is pleased quid occupies the WH, doesn't seem to do much else

[jlisenbe]

s that why the dufus and repubs lie and get donations up the ying yang?

Biden has lied and lied repeatedly. I'm confident all the fair minded liberals here will be shocked and dismayed by this. (Sarcasm meter pegged)

https://710wor.iheart.com/featured/m...in-major-lies/

Another huge whopper. ""Why is Glenys the first woman in her family in a thousand generations to be able to get to university? Was it because all our predecessors were thick?"

A few months later, as a young Mr Biden was attempting to become the youngest US president since John F Kennedy, he made a speech containing an almost identical passage."

https://news.sky.com/story/the-neil-...l-bid-11703552

And another. "Near the debate's end, he said, "All you have to do is go down Union Street with me in Wilmington and go to Katie's Restaurant or walk into Home Depot with me where I spend a lot of time and you ask anybody in there whether or not the economic and foreign policy of this administration has made them better off in the last eight years."News Journal feature writer Ryan Cormier blogged the next day that the Katie's mention caught him and food writer Patricia Talorico off guard. He said she checked "and realized Biden was referring to the long-closed Katie's Italian restaurant," two blocks from Union at Sixth and Scott streets."

The restaurant where he claimed to spend "a lot of time" had been closed for many years. Whoops.

https://www.delawareonline.com/story...azed/17172745/