[Wondergirl]

you are altogether unprepared.

You truly have NO clue!

[jlisenbe]

I'm going on what you've said. Remember...coffee and cookies??? Remember???

[Wondergirl]

I'm going on what you've said. Remember...coffee and cookies??? Remember???

That's not all I said. You do the same thing with Bible quotes. *sigh*

[jlisenbe]

Yeah. There was that extremely important part about writing them a check. Do you really believe that a couple of early morning house burglars are going to go out the front door singing, "Happy Days are Here Again" and wait til the bank opens to deposit your check???

What has been said is kind of important.

[Wondergirl]

I'm going on what you've said. Remember...coffee and cookies??? Remember???

And... (What else did I say? Stop cherry-picking what I said.)

Yeah. There was that extremely important part about writing them a check. Do you really believe that a couple of early morning house burglars are going to go out the front door singing, "Happy Days are Here Again" and wait til the bank opens to deposit your check???

I promise I won't stop payment.

My treasure is in the bank. In my house are boxes of bandages, bottles of hand sanitizer, a good supply of masks, ancient kitchenware and furniture, a closet full of linens, and a black cat.

[tomder55]

"At its core, the filibuster is not about stopping a nominee or a bill, it's about compromise and moderation. The nuclear option extinguishes the power of independents and moderates in the Senate. That's it, they're done. Moderates are important if you need to get to 60 votes to satisfy cloture; they are much less so if you only need 50 votes. Let's set the historical record straight. Never has the Senate provided for a certainty that 51 votes could put someone on the bench or pass legislation."( Quid in a speech on the Senate floor 2005)
He regularly joined Dem filibusters in his Senate years .

[jlisenbe]

Can Biden still remember anything he said in 05?

[paraclete]

can Biden remember anything he said yesterday

[talaniman]

Joe knows full well he doesn't have the votes to beat a filibuster as long as Sinema and Mancin sit with repubs.

[tomder55]

I still like the idea of changing it to return to the days of 'Mr Smith Goes to Washington'.

I see Dem heads exploding when Ted Cruz opens up the Dallas Fort Worth phone book and starts reading it .

[paraclete]

Why wouldn't he make it more interesting and start with the collected works of Shakespeare followed by Tolstoy

[tomder55]

Cruz would ;or he may start out reading all the 'Federalist Papers' . 85 essays written in 1780s American vernacular . Throw in some OT fire and brimstone for effect .

[talaniman]

I can go with the old school filibuster, but it should be restricted to relevant facts and events, but ideally screw that whole thing, since debate and compromise is the job of congress and eventually an up or down vote. Ol' Joe made a good point the other day in regards to his ideas were popular among the people in a bi partisan way so, whatever the politics of it is I think congress is the problem.

I must admit when it comes time for repubs to get stuff shoved down their throats they always balk and obstruct and have shown no will to move the country forward in a productive way. I understand that's the nature of the conservative beast though to resist any change, at least that's what conservatism has become, but things ARE changing whether one likes it or NOT.

Obviously conservatives don't believe resistance is futile, but it's just a matter of time.

[tomder55]

they always balk and obstruct and have shown no will to move the country forward in a productive way.

Moving the country forward of course is code to moving the country to a radical progressive agenda .Like the Fabians of old ,incremental socialism . I support obstructing that every time .

[talaniman]

The growing minority classes don't know or care about Fabian, Marx, or Mao. Are you paranoid or don't want to evolve or something? What's good enough for YOU may not be as good for me, nor fit as well. That's why I think a more aggressive dem approach to governance is warranted and needed. Pass or fail let's debate and VOTE.

PS.

Ain't falling for that socialism label this time.

[Athos]

Moving the country forward of course is code to moving the country to a radical progressive agenda .Like the Fabians of old ,incremental socialism . I support obstructing that every time .

I ask again - what exactly are the socialism programs offered by the Democrats that you object to? Last time I asked, you couldn't, or wouldn't, answer.

[tomder55]

the whole Dem agenda is socialist .

[Athos]

the whole Dem agenda is socialist .

Lol - not very specific, is it?

You really don't know, do you? For the great majority of the right, "socialism" is simply a useful trigger word that resonates with other rightists. They never have details when challenged - just slogans.

[talaniman]

the whole Dem agenda is socialist .

You confuse compassionate liberalism with socialism? Maybe read up on both so you can tell the difference. Or is it more a racial ideological bias?

[tomder55]

not all that hard at all . It is the Dems who cloud it because they think if they get free enterprise capitalism to pay for socialism that it isn't really socialism . $2 trillion+ infusion of government money to make a green agenda work is not capitalism right ?(and that is just Quid's plan ....forget what the Green New Deal would cost) Nor is price fixing for agriculture . Nor is the Goracle pushing for the use of ethanol when he knew it was a lie . Compelling banks to take government money against their will during the financial crisis was socialism .

All the government control comes at a cost of liberty . The more the welfare state is adopted the more intrusive and oppressive government becomes. Planning by means of command is not freedom. Our system was designed to protect individual rights ;not group ,not the collective . For that alone I the socialist agenda . You see it now with all the blacklist postings I make . A democracy that socialists create is NOT liberal in the classical sense. It is illiberal where the woke or the Jacobins or Maoist or Stalinists do essentially the same thing to varying degrees ....social engineering to make sure human free thought is purged .

You confuse compassionate liberalism with socialism? Maybe read up on both so you can tell the difference. Or is it more a racial ideological bias?

exactly the thought control I just spoke of . Smear anyone who opposes your agenda as a racist .You are better than that