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jlisenbe · Mar 29, 2021, 04:36 AM

No legitimate economist has ever doubted that.

Athos' definition of a legitimate economist. An economist who agrees with Athos.

paraclete · Mar 29, 2021, 06:09 PM

Perhaps he thinks Trump was a legitimate economist

jlisenbe · Mar 29, 2021, 06:31 PM

Our economic growth pre COVID would indicate that.

Wondergirl · Mar 29, 2021, 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Our economic growth pre COVID would indicate that.

Yes! Obama did a great job of pulling us out of the hole W. shoved us into!

jlisenbe · Mar 30, 2021, 04:13 AM

Obama's GDP growth was never better than lukewarm. He had eight years to get it done and only achieved limited success by doubling the national debt. The economy really heated up only under Trump.

Wondergirl · Mar 30, 2021, 10:46 AM

It took Obama eight years to pull us out of W.'s hole!

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

The economy really heated up only under Trump.

And then covid blew out the flame and Trump was clueless.

jlisenbe · Mar 30, 2021, 01:37 PM

And then covid blew out the flame

You mean kind of like it did with the entire rest of the world?

Trump was clueless.

Our economy out performed every European country and it's the vaccine developed under the Trump admin that is helping us dig out now. Not too bad for a "clueless" guy, eh?

Wondergirl · Mar 30, 2021, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

...it's the vaccine developed under the Trump admin that is helping us dig out now. Not too bad for a "clueless" guy, eh?

Um, do a bit of honest googling. This lie has been addressed and squashed once before on this board.

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

You mean kind of like it did with the entire rest of the world?

And the trumpster had no clue what to do.

jlisenbe · Mar 30, 2021, 03:06 PM

Um, do a bit of honest googling. This lie has been addressed and squashed once before on this board.

And this lie also has been. That the vaccine was developed under the Trump admin is the plainest truth in the world. A little logic. Let's see. The vaccine was developed in 2020. Trump was pres in 2020. Hmm.

And the trumpster had no clue what to do.

And that wild tale was just debunked. You really need to try something believable. Your TDS is greatly affecting your judgment.

Wondergirl · Mar 30, 2021, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Your TDS is greatly affecting your judgment.

Your hero worship is gaggy.

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

The vaccine was developed in 2020.

Nope. Do some research about coronavirus vaccines.

jlisenbe · Mar 30, 2021, 05:15 PM

Don’t be ridiculous. It was developed and USED in 2020.

Wondergirl · Mar 30, 2021, 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Don’t be ridiculous. It was developed and USED in 2020.

It. Was. Not. Developed. In. 2020.

jlisenbe · Mar 30, 2021, 05:30 PM

When on earth do you think it was developed???

Alarm! Alarm! WG has been asked a question. Extreme danger alert!!

Wondergirl · Mar 30, 2021, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

When on earth do you think it was developed???

Alarm! Alarm! WG has been asked a question. Extreme danger alert!!

Developing a vaccine and bringing it to market often takes many years. But because of work that NIH was already doing when the COVID-19 pandemic began, researchers were able to come up with vaccines for this new virus much faster.

Years before the COVID-19 pandemic began, experts at the NIH Vaccine Research Center (VRC) were studying coronaviruses to find out how to protect against them. The scientists chose to focus on one “prototype” coronavirus and create a vaccine for it. That vaccine could then be customized to fight different coronaviruses.
https://covid19.nih.gov/research-hig...ne-development

jlisenbe · Mar 30, 2021, 06:29 PM

You must have attended that Athos/Aquinas school of honesty. You left out these paragraphs FROM YOUR OWN ARTICLE which CLEARLY show that the Covid vaccine was developed in 2020.

"By the second week of January 2020, researchers in China published the DNA sequence of SARS-CoV-2, the coronavirus that causes COVID-19.The VRC worked with a company called Moderna to use this information to quickly customize their prototype approach to the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein. By early February, a COVID-19 vaccine candidate had been designed and manufactured. This vaccine is called mRNA-1273. By March 16, 2020, this vaccine had entered the first phase of clinical trials. Other vaccines, including a similar one from Pfizer and BioNTech SE, entered clinical trials not long after.
On December 18, 2020, after demonstrating 94 percent efficacy, the NIH-Moderna vaccine was authorized by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for emergency use. Just days earlier, the similar Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine had become the first COVID-19 vaccine to be authorized for use in the United States."

Yes, the whole concept of MRNA vaccines had been under development for years, but this is a specific vaccine for a specific virus which wasn't even clearly sequenced until 2020. So as I said, it was both developed and used in 2020 during the Trump admin. Case officially closed for all but those suffering from TDS.

Wondergirl · Mar 30, 2021, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

You must have attended that Athos/Aquinas school of honesty. You left out these paragraphs FROM YOUR OWN ARTICLE which CLEARLY show that the Covid vaccine was developed in 2020.

And you were an educator? Ah, yes, I remember now -- you're a literalist who doesn't read anything that doesn't support his pov and who therefore reads only the parts that support his pov.

The article talks about the prototype that was already in existence after YEARS of research. Scientists tweaked that prototype to come up with the appropriate vaccine.

To repeat:
Years before the COVID-19 pandemic began, experts at the NIH Vaccine Research Center (VRC) were studying coronaviruses to find out how to protect against them.

because of work that NIH was already doing when the COVID-19 pandemic began, researchers were able to come up with vaccines for this new virus much faster.

jlisenbe · Mar 30, 2021, 06:56 PM

You're being completely absurd. You are referring to general work being done by the NIH on viral vaccines using MRNA. I clearly was specific that I was referring to the COVID vaccine being used now which your own article said was developed and tested in 2020 during the Trump admin. This is completely ridiculous. I'm done with the whole stupid conversation. I should have known better.

Wondergirl · Mar 30, 2021, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

You're being completely absurd. You are referring to general work being done by the NIH on viral vaccines using MRNA.

On CORONAVIRUSES!!! Of which covid-19 happens to be one....

jlisenbe · Mar 30, 2021, 07:29 PM

My original statement that started this entire exchange. "and it's the vaccine developed under the Trump admin that is helping us dig out now. Not too bad for a "clueless" guy, eh?" That is specifically speaking of the COVID 19 vaccine. That specific vaccine was developed during 2020 under that Trump admin. Operation Warpspeed. Remember now??? Did they benefit from previous research done in prior years, three of which were still in the Trump admin? Of course, but the work on the vaccine being used now was entirely done in 2020.

https://www.defense.gov/Explore/Spot...on-Warp-Speed/

Done.

paraclete · Mar 30, 2021, 09:56 PM

I hear the WHO is once again considering the possibility the virus escaped from a lab, even though their own study said this was unlikely, so have they stopped listening to the CCP? or are they genuinely concerned we have all been had?