[tomder55]

This is Officer Natalie Corona, Only 22 years old and 5 months in the Police force.

She was responding to a car crash when the following occur:
As Officer Corona was conducting an investigation at the collision scene, a person not involved with the crash rode up to the scene on a bicycle. As Officer Corona spoke to one of the persons involved in the crash the man then walked up to her and opened fire without warning, striking her. He shot her several more times after she fell to the ground.

[paraclete]

Not sure what this has to do with mail in ballots

That event is something that is unfortunately too common, we have had two recent traffic accidents where police were killed by vehicles hitting the scene, who can say whether it was deliberate

[tomder55]

Not sure what this has to do with mail in ballots

It doesn't .The conversation strayed from that as a deflection in comment # 3and #9 .

[tomder55]

Not sure what this has to do with mail in ballots

It doesn't but the conversation strayed because my point is irrefutable . Absentee ballots have historically been left uncounted if there weren't enough of them to change the outcome. Now that they might matter, the weaknesses of mail in ballots becomes evident.

[talaniman]

I firmly believe all these issues are closely related and hard to talk about one without considering them all. As I told Clete before, if a suitable structure were in place to eliminate the abuses mail in voting could be both safe and viable, but no such thing is ever considered as many only see the fear of being booted from power.

Given our history of political dirty tricks to win elections, keep power, and pay off the political bosses, it's understandable. Having the House, Senate, and WH is some heady stuff, but the sad facts is the conservative agenda has failed miserably on every level and the people are rebelling. Now you can spin that any way you want it, and blame the dems, and Obama, but we are seeing through that total incompetence and demanding more than the top down trickle down solutions and bad mouthing that the dufus has wrought.

How would YOU feel watching the rich get richer and YOU get poorer at the whims of some feckless greedy b@stards using the tools of racism, and economic hoodoo that this virus has exposed. Can't drain the swamp without getting rid of the King Critter and his ilk, and people are recognizing that. Then we can do better.

[tomder55]

I intentionally made my examples from deep blue states and their issues with counting mail in ballots .But you keep deflecting to unrelated issues. Election trickery happens on both sides . I'm trying to preserve any integrity left in the process ;and that accounts for transparency which should be a hallmark of the electoral process in a free society . The Dems agenda appears to be the opposite . Same day registration sending out mail in ballots even when a voter is not requesting one ,mail in ballots ,ballot harvesting do not help in the transparency . I don't think the integrity of the process can be preserved unless the mass majority of the vote is taken at polling places where interested parties are there to confirm the voter's eligibility to vote ,and to observe that the voter is given a ballot to fill out in secret on their own .Then those votes are then tabulated under the observation of all interested parties .

[talaniman]

There is no integrity left Tom, the dufus has corrupted everything. If conservatives and repubs had reigned him in and balanced his idiocy with some semblance of common sense and good orderly direction we would be going in the right direction instead of drowning in our own shat.

[paraclete]

. I'm trying to preserve any integrity left in the process ;and that accounts for transparency which should be a hallmark of the electoral process in a free society .

Obviously a lone ranger campaign, if you want transparency then remove local control of the process

[tomder55]

oh yeah because we do so well at the National level . We can't figure out how to deliver the mail let alone run the national mail in voting .

[talaniman]

Maybe it's not perfect, nothing in America is, but the mail is the foundation of America, and of course the dufus and repubs are scared crap less if voting was easy and convenient, AND MORE Americans participated in the franchise.

[paraclete]

oh yeah because we do so well at the National level . We can't figure out how to deliver the mail let alone run the national mail in voting .

You do know this is not rocket science, not any of it? don't you? but then if you pay peanuts you get monkeys

[talaniman]

Send a guy to the moon, build nukes that hit targets on a dime, have a google machine that can find anything you want to know, including free porn, but can't vote by mail?

The dufus and repubs have dumbed us down pretty good.

[paraclete]

what has dumbed you down is your education system, it turns out a few elite and many semi literates

[tomder55]

Maybe it's not perfect,

Did you not read the OP ? 20% of the ballots are being discarded because the post office couldn't get them post marked on time .
Observers at the polling place are the watch dogs of the balloting . And no that is not perfect either . There are many places in the NE where they can't find a Repub to sit at the polling places .But at least there is a bare minimum of accountability to that process. Is anyone even verifying the signature of the name on the mail in ballots . I'm telling you as a fact there is more disenfranchising being done in the mail in process . 1 . Ballots discarded 2. Ballots not counted at all unless there is a close election . 3 There is no proof that the person who's name is on the ballot ever handled the ballot .

[paraclete]

Did you not read the OP ? 20% of the ballots are being discarded because the post office couldn't get them post marked on time .
Observers at the polling place are the watch dogs of the balloting . And no that is not perfect either . There are many places in the NE where they can't find a Repub to sit at the polling places .But at least there is a bare minimum of accountability to that process. Is anyone even verifying the signature of the name on the mail in ballots . I'm telling you as a fact there is more disenfranchising being done in the mail in process . 1 . Ballots discarded 2. Ballots not counted at all unless there is a close election . 3 There is no proof that the person who's name is on the ballot ever handled the ballot .

What percentage of votes cast are you speaking of 1%, 2%? would these make any difference in a contest already decided but I agree with you all votes cast should be counted, only then do you get a true reflection of opinion. You could certainly improve the process by preregistration for a postal ballot, the elector being given an identifying number

[talaniman]

Tom forgets the disqualified ballots from typos and misspelling of names by pollsters, or mass purges of voters without them knowing it. A bunch of states already have mail in votes, absentee ballots, and early voting so what's the big deal?

I get why no one trusts the process, party bosses have been known to pull shenanigans.

[paraclete]

I get why no one trusts the process, party bosses have been known to pull shenanigans.

This is the twenty-first century, at least in those parts of the world, that want to be part of it. You can discourage such behaviour by sending a few of them to jail

[talaniman]

The dufus will just pardon them.

[paraclete]

not an excuse to do nothing, the process will be an inconvenience

[paraclete]