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Jul 1, 2020, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by talaniman
The controversy is when is life begun. Some say at conception, some say at birth, but what has always been missing is the funding for kids as they develop from that zygote and enter into the real world. I think that's what you have eluded to and I would agree with that.
there is no controversy as to when life begins, It is obvious. What is controversial is when life should end and by what means
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Jul 1, 2020, 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by paraclete
there is no controversy as to when life begins, It is obvious. What is controversial is when life should end and by what means
If I may, the proper question should be when does HUMAN life begin?
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Jul 1, 2020, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Athos
If I may, the proper question should be when does HUMAN life begin?
At birth, when the human breathes for the first time.
Genesis 2:7 (KJV) And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
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Jul 1, 2020, 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Wondergirl
At birth, when the human breathes for the first time.
Genesis 2:7 (KJV) And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
false logic scripture also says the Lord knitted us together in our mother's womb so it is his definition not ours
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Jul 1, 2020, 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by paraclete
false logic scripture also says the Lord knitted us together in our mother's womb so it is his definition not ours
Yes, He knitted us together in the womb, but we didn't become human until we drew our first breath.
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Jul 1, 2020, 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Yes, He knitted us together in the womb, but we didn't become human until we drew our first breath.
There is no evidence to support your claim, a human looks human in or out of the womb, life is viable even prematurely
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Jul 1, 2020, 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by paraclete
life is viable even prematurely
Only when that life breathes.
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Jul 1, 2020, 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Only when that life breathes.
What is being argued here is whether someone prematurely prevents birth and breathing, you know this, so when a baby takes a breath is academic at best. Make all the excuses you want, abortion is murder, premeditated murder and the law that says otherwise is an . Any law that seems to preempt or overthrow God's law is an
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Jul 1, 2020, 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by paraclete
Make all the excuses you want, abortion is murder, premeditated murder and the law that says otherwise is an .
This is a religious argument. You are entitled to it but religious law does not overcome the secular law.
Any law that seems to preempt or overthrow God's law is an
Which God are you referring to?
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Jul 1, 2020, 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Athos
This is a religious argument. You are entitled to it but religious law does not overcome the secular law.
Which God are you referring to?
There is only one God, Yahweh, Jesus, Holy Spirit.
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Jul 2, 2020, 04:10 AM
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Everybody says that.
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Jul 2, 2020, 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by paraclete
There is only one God, Yahweh, Jesus, Holy Spirit.
Is that three gods?
Judaism has one God, Christianity 3 godheads in one, Arabia has Allah who predates Islam, Hinduism many gods similar to saints in Catholicism who are aspects of Brahma, Buddha no gods, Native Americans Manitou or the Great Spirit. All peoples and cultures develop their own god/gods. Then there are the religions that have been relegated to mythology - Zeus, Odin, and many more over the eons.
Like you, each thinks their God is the only God.
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Jul 2, 2020, 07:43 AM
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Jul 2, 2020, 07:47 AM
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I scrolled down wondering what to expect. Then I saw it. It made me laugh.
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Jul 2, 2020, 07:51 AM
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Jul 2, 2020, 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Athos
Is that three gods?
Judaism has one God, Christianity 3 godheads in one, Arabia has Allah who predates Islam, Hinduism many gods similar to saints in Catholicism who are aspects of Brahma, Buddha no gods, Native Americans Manitou or the Great Spirit. All peoples and cultures develop their own god/gods. Then there are the religions that have been relegated to mythology - Zeus, Odin, and many more over the eons.
Like you, each thinks their God is the only God.
The idea that God is one is as old as time but I believe Jesus when he says he and the father are one
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Jul 2, 2020, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by paraclete
The idea that God is one is as old as time but I believe Jesus when he says he and the father are one
The core of Christianity is a beautiful religion. Some bumps in the road over the centuries but nobody's perfect (humans).
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Jul 2, 2020, 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Athos
The core of Christianity is a beautiful religion. Some bumps in the road over the centuries but nobody's perfect (humans).
You see what has been lost is that Christianity isn't a religion it is a relationship
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Jul 2, 2020, 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by paraclete
You see what has been lost is that Christianity isn't a religion it is a relationship
Well ok. Couldn't it be both?
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Jul 2, 2020, 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Athos
Well ok. Couldn't it be both?
Religion is ritual, it is not the same, as I said there was something lost in the transition, perhaps caused by persecution by the religiously minded. During the foundation, the disciples spent years in relationship with Jesus, religion was different, they had a temple for that
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