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talaniman · Dec 28, 2019, 08:25 PM

That's what the trial is for.......................................!

jlisenbe · Dec 28, 2019, 08:53 PM

No it's not. The House is responsible for investigating allegations and determining if the evidence warrants a trial. The Senate is only responsible for evaluating the evidence the House has uncovered. That being the case, the dems are in for a long ride.

talaniman · Dec 29, 2019, 06:27 AM

So are Moscow Mitch and repubs despite the spin. I don't think either side gets through this unscathed.

paraclete · Dec 29, 2019, 11:33 PM

No one gets out of a fight unscathed Tal, but you know I think the ones who have been mauled the most are the demonrats, they have demonstrated how shallow they are and things have been uncovered they would rather not be known

talaniman · Dec 30, 2019, 05:32 AM

Like what? That the private attorney for the dufus was also mucking about in Venezuela as well as the Ukraine and our government knew nothing about it? Or the majority leader Moscow Mitch was going around his own government cutting deals with Russian oligharchs? You say dems are shallow for breaking up and exposing the dufus and his sycophants scandalous corruption?

paraclete · Dec 30, 2019, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by talaniman

Like what? That the private attorney for the dufus was also mucking about in Venezuela as well as the Ukraine and our government knew nothing about it? Or the majority leader Moscow Mitch was going around his own government cutting deals with Russian oligharchs? You say dems are shallow for breaking up and exposing the dufus and his sycophants scandalous corruption?

You ignore that Biden was interfering in legal process in another country just because Trump made it an issue

talaniman · Dec 31, 2019, 02:26 AM

The smoke must be getting to you clete if you believe a word the dufus says. That's not good.

paraclete · Dec 31, 2019, 04:22 AM

I try to take abalanced view Tal and to use the current position where there is smoke there is fire and fire burns indiscriminately

talaniman · Dec 31, 2019, 07:53 AM

You can't take a balance view with our dufus. Whether you fact check, or follow the money, you get a lying cheater. This whole impeachment deal is about his lying and cheating. It's all he knows and conservatives think that's okay.

jlisenbe · Dec 31, 2019, 08:23 AM

I don't know of anyone better at lying and cheating than HC was. And the group now contending for the dem nomination is the biggest collection of incompetents I've ever seen. When Liz Warren and Bernie Sanders are serious considerations, then you know you're in trouble. So if you want to complain about Trump, then you need to nominate an "anti-Trump". Good luck with that one.

talaniman · Dec 31, 2019, 09:46 AM

I certainly like your optimism in the face of the current fact that your elected choice is a crook of the worst kind and shall forever carry that label of being impeached in his first term. I know no matter what the evidence is against him his sycophants say it's not enough or is a lie, but don't all crooks say that? Nixon did for sure. That's okay, we haven't started presenting the case with the world watching as we move into a brand new decade and the court seems poised to rule on a few subpoenas, and we may have a few more witnesses to hear from, you know the ones that hide behind the dufus.

Seems if you had witnesses that would clear you or back up your side they would have been heard from by now but we shall see what happens. So you just keep hollering Hillary, and we will keep hollering dufus, and see who gets got!

jlisenbe · Dec 31, 2019, 11:19 AM

shall forever carry that label of being impeached in his first term.

Considering who did the impeaching, I would suggest he wear it as a badge of honor.

. I know no matter what the evidence is against him

Still waiting on those names.

Seems if you had witnesses that would clear you or back up your side they would have been heard from by now

Thank goodness we do not operate by that gosh awful and warped view of justice. Of course you do have the Ukrainian PM and Foreign Minister both saying there was no quid pro quo. One of your beloved witnesses actually said that Trump had told him months ago there was no guid pro quo. But still, you do have all those witnesses saying they had first hand knowledge of criminal activ....No wait. You don't have those witnesses, do you? CASE DISMISSED!!

So you just keep hollering Hillary, and we will keep hollering dufus, and see who gets got!

To be sure. The only thing to see in the future will be if there are any dem senators who will do the honorable thing and admit that there is not sufficient evidence to impeach a sitting president of the United States.

Wondergirl · Dec 31, 2019, 11:46 AM

The impeachment is a done deal. It will be forever part of his legacy.

talaniman · Dec 31, 2019, 02:34 PM

To be sure. The only thing to see in the future will be if there are any dem senators who will do the honorable thing and admit that there is not sufficient evidence to impeach a sitting president of the United States. From JL.

That's not how it works. He was IMPEACHED. Now CONVICTING him, is another matter. Or NOT convicting him or anything in between. That's what trials are about. No president has ever been removed in our history...YET! Nixon resigned, Johnson not convicted, Clinton convicted but not removed. He lost his law license though.

Maybe the dufus won't be convicted but forced to wear a muzzle, have his twitter account closed, have his phone taken away, or some other thing but his impeachment sticks forever like I and WG have said.

jlisenbe · Dec 31, 2019, 02:41 PM

Maybe the dufus won't be convicted but forced to wear a muzzle, have his twitter account closed, have his phone taken away, or some other thing but his impeachment sticks forever like I and WG have said.

That's true. The question concerns who should bear the shame, Trump or the House dems. You know what I think.

Wondergirl · Dec 31, 2019, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

That's true. The question concerns who should bear the shame, Trump or the House dems. You know what I think.

Shame? Impeached tRump bears the shame.

jlisenbe · Dec 31, 2019, 03:15 PM

He bears no shame. The shame falls on the feckless House dems who had decided, only days after his election, to try and remove him through impeachment. It is not going to work, and could very well backfire on the dems as the American people watch this political circus proceed. It is purely political and has nothing to do with justice.

Wondergirl · Dec 31, 2019, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

He bears no shame. The shame falls on the feckless House dems who had decided, only days after his election, to try and remove him through impeachment. It is not going to work, and could very well backfire on the dems as the American people watch this political circus proceed. It is purely political and has nothing to do with justice.

It has everything to do with his unlawful behavior as a president.

paraclete · Dec 31, 2019, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

It has everything to do with his unlawful behavior as a president.

He stands accused but not convicted but the presumption of innocence doesn't apply when tried in the court of public opinion, there he is presumed guilty of any accusation and it seems it doesn't apply when political opinions supplant evidence

jlisenbe · Dec 31, 2019, 05:40 PM

It has everything to do with his unlawful behavior as a president.

If you have evidence of that, then call the House dems immediately. They couldn't find any. As I've been saying, I'm waiting on the name(s).