[Vacuum7]

Athos: You told jlisenbe "What are you - some sort of socialist? Go back to Russia." Why did you say that? JL is definitely not a filthy socialist. And, also, why would you tell jlisenbe to "go back to Russia?" Am I missing something here because I didn't think jlisenbe was from Russia...I believe jlisenbe is from the great state of Mississippi. Additionally, Russia is not a socialist country since they broke the shackles of communism back in 1990...for 29 years, Russia has flourished under some form of capitalism and, while it has been a struggle, they definitely aren't socialist.

[talaniman]

There is no real evidence of a crime. You are making an appeal to what you THINK some witnesses MIGHT would say, but that is child's play. As to the legality of withholding the funds, that is not what he is charged with. If you want to go for that then fine, but if Obama did it as well then are you willing to condemn him? We KNOW that Biden did it as Obama's VP because he admits to it on tape.

There doesn't have to be a crime for a president to be impeached, and a simple google searched would have told you that. In regard to witness testimony, that's what subpoenas are for so it doesn't matter what one thinks they will say the prudent thing to do is to get what they do say under oath and go from there. You need to do your homework on that Biden distraction my friend and stop taking the dufus's word for it because it's a FALSE. Everybody wanted the Ukrainian dude fired because he WOULDN'T investigate corruption because he was corrupt himself. Him and his cronies took money to STOP investigations of corrupt Ukrainian officials in government and businesses tied to Russia. Look it up my gosh and end the lies and ignorance of you right wing loons!

Him working for Burisma is not a crime, so I agree with that much of what you said. But if you are trying to say that HB working for a major oil/gas company when he knows NOTHING about oil/gas production or about business management is not a suspicious looking arrangement, then that is a politically driven opinion. He admitted that he only got the job because of his last name, and his father was a major player in Ukrainian foreign policy, so yeah, that looks smelly.

Actually he was brought on for law and regulation compliance so no gas production expertise needed. Maybe that changes nothing for you, but you would have known that with a simple Google search too. I find it hilarious that of all the people on the board of Burisma, including Americans, Biden is the only one you have a problem with at the behest of the dufus looking for dirt on his political opponent. You have bothered looking that up either.

Once again, when you run out of information, then you start slinging mud. I would think you would get embarrassed of such childish antics after a while. At any rate, I'll call you out on this one. Tell me why you say it was a "global financial meltdown." Let's hear your evidence. Oh wait. I forgot that you don't consider evidence to be important. Sorry for that oversight.

Yeah I guess you missed my links embedded in my mudslinging. Dude, you just can't be that lazy or loose about historic FACTS. Can YOU?

[jlisenbe]

There doesn't have to be a crime for a president to be impeached, and a simple google searched would have told you that.

That's true, and I'm glad to see that you are evidently agreeing that this impeachment is pure partisan politics at its worst. Thankfully, the American people are seeing through this ridiculous charade.

You need to do your homework on that Biden distraction my friend and stop taking the dufus's word for it because it's a FALSE. Everybody wanted the Ukrainian dude fired because he WOULDN'T investigate corruption because he was corrupt himself. Him and his cronies took money to STOP investigations of corrupt Ukrainian officials in government and businesses tied to Russia. Look it up my gosh and end the lies and ignorance of you right wing loons!

First of all, I have no idea what Trump has said about this. I never listen to him. As to lies, you find the lie I have said about this and we can talk about it. Otherwise you are the one doing the lying. So you've been called out on this. Show where I have lied or find something else useful and honest to say. This business of you and your buddy athos wanting to call everything and anything a lie gets old. You can never back the statement up.

I'd still love to know why you think Burisma would have hired a guy just recently kicked out of the navy for drug use who knew NOTHING about oil and gas, and who had no practical experience at all in business. Why do you think they hired him??? I'm not saying it was illegal, but I am saying it stinks to the high heavens.

[jlisenbe]

Athos: You told jlisenbe "What are you - some sort of socialist? Go back to Russia." Why did you say that? JL is definitely not a filthy socialist. And, also, why would you tell jlisenbe to "go back to Russia?"

Vac, after a while you just consider the source. Of the three liberal amigos on this board, the only one you can have anything approaching an open conversation with is Tal.

[Athos]

Vac, after a while you just consider the source. Of the three liberal amigos on this board, the only one you can have anything approaching an open conversation with is Tal.

Of the two of three Stooges on this board, you and V7, neither one can recognize a comment made in jest.

[jlisenbe]

Of the two of three Stooges on this board, you and V7, neither one can recognize a comment made in jest.Of the two of three Stooges on this board, you and V7, neither one can recognize a comment made in jest.

Right. "I called you a liar, but golly gee whiz, I was just kidding!" That's how teenagers operate.

[Athos]

Still waiting on that long promised response to my question....... hell in Matthew 25?

I missed this first time around. That topic has gone to the bottom of my to-do pile. But never fear, it's coming, it's coming. Stand by.

[paraclete]

Just to nip this little Bible quoting squabble in the bud

⁴¹ “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. ⁴² For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, ⁴³ I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’ ⁴⁴ “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’ ⁴⁵ “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’ ⁴⁶ “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

[Athos]

BTW, it was really scummy of you to try and start one of your arguments on a post where a young lady asked a serious question about hell. I referred her to the Bible

The scumminess is all yours, my friend, since you were the one who began connecting hell with belief in Christ, not me. Had the thread continued, it was only a matter of time before you tried to infect her with your pernicious belief.

The rest of your thread isn't worth replying to since you are being corrected so effectively by others.

Right. "I called you a liar, but golly gee whiz, I was just kidding!" That's how teenagers operate.

Geez, you really can't read! The jest comment was in re V7's comment on Russia and socialism. You haven't lost your bad tendency to change horses in midstream. I thought by now, you're realize it never works.

[talaniman]

That's true, and I'm glad to see that you are evidently agreeing that this impeachment is pure partisan politics at its worst. Thankfully, the American people are seeing through this ridiculous charade.

Partisan yes because the dufus has completely subverted the repub party into his sycophant rubber stamp.

First of all, I have no idea what Trump has said about this. I never listen to him. As to lies, you find the lie I have said about this and we can talk about it. Otherwise you are the one doing the lying. So you've been called out on this. Show where I have lied or find something else useful and honest to say. This business of you and your buddy athos wanting to call everything and anything a lie gets old. You can never back the statement up.

I've never called you a lie, but specifically always say the dufus is a liar (Or the right wing loons, so which are you?) so you show me where I referenced YOU lying before you go calling me out. I'll leave it at that for now!

I'd still love to know why you think Burisma would have hired a guy just recently kicked out of the navy for drug use who knew NOTHING about oil and gas, and who had no practical experience at all in business. Why do you think they hired him??? I'm not saying it was illegal, but I am saying it stinks to the high heavens.

They hired a number of Americans for their board and ex politicians no doubt in my mind to give legitimacy for their corruption, and corrupt or not it's a practice for many businesses, both foreign and domestic to hire "important influential CONNECTED" people who may be good for business.

[jlisenbe]

The scumminess is all yours, my friend, since you were the one who began connecting hell with belief in Christ, not me. Had the thread continued, it was only a matter of time before you tried to infect her with your pernicious belief.

Actually that was first begun in the Bible, that book which you are so afraid of.

The rest of your thread isn't worth replying to since you are being corrected so effectively by others.

I.e. you have no answers.

Geez, you really can't read! The jest comment was in re V7's comment on Russia and socialism. You haven't lost your bad tendency to change horses in midstream. I thought by now, you're realize it never works.

I get it. You weren't specific, so it's my fault. Sure. That makes sense.

I've never called you a lie, but specifically always say the dufus is a liar (Or the right wing loons, so which are you?) so you show me where I referenced YOU lying before you go calling me out. I'll leave it at that for now!

Yes, you did. Your quote is, "Look it up my gosh andend the lies and ignorance of you right wing loons!" But you are clarifying your statement, so fine.

They hired a number of Americans for their board and ex politicians no doubt in my mind to give legitimacy for their corruption, and corrupt or not it's a practice for many businesses, both foreign and domestic to hire "important influential CONNECTED" people who may be good for business.

Maybe so, but HB himself said he only got the job because of his last name. BTW, I could find no other names of Americans named to that board. Perhaps you have a better source.

[talaniman]

Be glad to provide a link as well as some clarity.

From 1st link

Taras Burdeinyi is the chief executive officer of Burisma Holdings,^[1] and Alan Apter is chairman of the board of directors.^[2] As of 14 October 2019, the members of the board of directors, in order of seniority, are Alan Apter, Aleksander Kwaśniewski, Joseph Cofer Black , Karina Zlochevska, Christina Sofocleous, Riginos Charalampous, and Marina Pericleous.^[2][34] Aleksander Kwaśniewski, former president of Poland, joined the board in January 2014.^[32][33] In February 2016, Joseph Cofer Black, former director of the Counterterrorism Center of the Central Intelligence Agency (1999–2002) in the George W. Bush administration and former Ambassador-at-Large for counter-terrorism (2002–2004), was appointed to the board.^[35] Karina Zlochevska, daughter of Mykola Zlochevskiy, was also appointed in February 2016.^[2].In April 2014, Devon Archer, a former senior adviser to the John Kerry 2004 presidential campaign, and Hunter Biden, an attorney and the son of then-US vice president Joe Biden, joined the board.^[32][36] Archer left the company in 2018^[37] and Biden left in April 2019, when his term as a director expired.<sup>[8]

Fron the 2nd link</sup>

Numerousmediaoutlets

have stated Hunter Biden was paid as much as $50,000 a month for his work with Burisma, but available financial records show no direct payments from the company to him. The frequently cited figure stems from payments Hunter Biden received from Rosemont Seneca Bohai, a New York-based

capital management firm

owned and controlled by longtime business partner Devon Archer.

[Vacuum7]

Devon Archer is a scumbag!

[jlisenbe]

Rather than depending on undependable others to state my views, and despite the fact that I have plainly stated this just a week or two ago, let me say that I do not contend that people go to hell because of a lack of faith in Christ. People go to hell because they have sinned and are under the judgement of God. It is by faith in Christ that forgiveness is given, and it is strictly by grace, which is to say it is wholly undeserved by us.

The judgement of God is proportional to a person's offenses. This is clearly stated in Luke 12:41ff, Matthew 10:15 and 11:22, Luke 12:47,48, and Hebrews 10:29. I have no idea how that enters into the concept of hell, but it would certainly be a just thing for God to do.

It is also clear that no one can be saved by their good works, which is to say by being "good". This is clearly taught in the first five chapters of Romans and is, in fact, the entire reason for the existence of that passage. Paul sums up the argument in 5:1 where he states, "Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom also we have obtained our introduction by faith into this grace in which we stand." It is also plainly stated in John 3:16 and a multitude of other places. The passage "around" John 3:16 (15 to 21), is a particularly beautiful passage to me.

That there is a hell is clear from Matthew 25 where it is stated it is both eternal and fiery. It is also clearly taught in Matthew 13:41-43 and Luke 13:26-30.

That the judgement of God is going to be a terrible event is clear from Rev. 20:11-15. "11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire."

You can also go back and read the two passages which were quoted from Aquinas, both of which clearly show the essential nature of faith in Christ.

[jlisenbe]

have stated Hunter Biden was paid as much as $50,000 a month for his work with Burisma, but available financial records show no direct payments from the company to him. The frequently cited figure stems from payments Hunter Biden received from Rosemont Seneca Bohai, a New York-based

Please don't tell me you are trying to suggest he worked for free.

[Athos]

Rather than depending on undependable others to state my views, and despite the fact that I have plainly stated this just a week or two ago, let me say that I do not contend that people go to hell because of a lack of faith in Christ. People go to hell because they have sinned and are under the judgement of God. It is by faith in Christ that forgiveness is given, and it is strictly by grace, which is to say it is wholly undeserved by us.

The judgement of God is proportional to a person's offenses. This is clearly stated in Luke 12:41ff, Matthew 10:15 and 11:22, Luke 12:47,48, and Hebrews 10:29. I have no idea how that enters into the concept of hell, but it would certainly be a just thing for God to do.

It is also clear that no one can be saved by their good works, which is to say by being "good". This is clearly taught in the first five chapters of Romans and is, in fact, the entire reason for the existence of that passage. Paul sums up the argument in 5:1 where he states, "Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom also we have obtained our introduction by faith into this grace in which we stand." It is also plainly stated in John 3:16 and a multitude of other places. The passage "around" John 3:16 (15 to 21), is a particularly beautiful passage to me.

That there is a hell is clear from Matthew 25 where it is stated it is both eternal and fiery. It is also clearly taught in Matthew 13:41-43 and Luke 13:26-30.

That the judgement of God is going to be a terrible event is clear from Rev. 20:11-15. "11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire."

You can also go back and read the two passages which were quoted from Aquinas, both of which clearly show the essential nature of faith in Christ.

You are a master at changing horses mid stream. The original proposition (now many months ago) was that UNBELIEVERS WHO DO NOT BELIEVE IN JESUS ARE CONDEMNED TO HELL FOR ETERNAL PUNISHMENT.

For months you never once denied you believed that. In fact, you quoted Bible verse after Bible verse that you claimed supported that position. Each one of those verses was debunked by me as not meeting the conditions of your belief.

When the absurdity of your belief was pointed out again and again, you softened a bit. Then your claim became that possibly (possibly?) babies were excluded from going to hell. If abortion is murder, what in God's name do you call that aborted baby when as an unbeliever it spends eternity in hell undergoing torture?

I even went so far as to post your claim on the Christianity board but you got no help there. As someone who has read Aquinas for years, I stand by what I wrote as opposed to your three minutes on Wikipedia.

Finally, in a convoluted comment, you seemed to say that there was a difference between how an unbeliever would wind up in hell. It was a distinction without a difference.

You're now saying in the above post that hell exists and that the judgement of God is a terrible thing. THAT WAS NEVER THE ORIGINAL POINT OF DISPUTE.

Many times I have called your claim absurd. I see now that your are finally understanding the absurdity. Babies and those who never heard of Jesus obviously do not wind up in hell being endlessly tortured because they are not believers.
This sounds more like Moloch than Jesus.

What you need to do is stop defending a weak position by skating around the original dispute, and come right out and say that YOU DO NOT BELIEVE THAT UNBELIEVERS GO TO HELL FOR ETERNAL PUNISHMENT.

[Wondergirl]

Please don't tell me you are trying to suggest he worked for free.

No, please read more carefully. Hunter was paid by Rosemont Seneca Bohai for his work with Burisma. You do know what Hunter did to earn that money, right?

[jlisenbe]

I even went so far as to post your claim on the Christianity board but you got no help there. As someone who has read Aquinas for years, I stand by what I wrote as opposed to your three minutes on Wikipedia.

Then you can't read English. He plainly did not support your position. He flatly stated, in fact, that belief in "The Faith" was essential. If you've read Aquinas for years, then you would have come up with something that supported your false belief.

As to all the false nonsense you posted about what I have supposedly said, I notice that you posted no quotes from me and no scripture. Your rant proves nothing. In fact, it is your constant work of fiction that caused me to post what I just did. Notice that I said I couldn't depend on those who are undependable?

In the meantime, we continue to wait for your long promised opinion of the words of Christ.

[Athos]

As to all the false nonsense you posted about what I have supposedly said

Fine. Here's your chance to correct the record.

DO YOU BELIEVE THAT UNBELIEVERS GO TO HELL WHERE THEY ARE ETERNALLY PUNISHED?

Simple enough. A yes or no will do.

[jlisenbe]

No, please read more carefully. Hunter was paid by Rosemont Seneca Bohai for his work with Burisma. You do know what Hunter did to earn that money, right?

You do know that there are a variety of sources which say that Biden was paid by Burisma? Even Tal said that, "Numerous media outlets have stated Hunter Biden was paid as much as $50,000 a month for his work with Burisma."

If it was indeed Rosemont Seneca, do you find it a bit strange that they paid HB to be on the board of Burisma and not the company itself?

Read this and tell me how you feel about Rosemont Seneca.

https://nypost.com/2018/03/15/inside...d-bidens-kids/