[jlisenbe]

Didn't I just suggest you speak for yourself? Just because you don't know or understand doesn't mean others don't. It's really a simple formula, Putin + assets + grooming = political calculation.

How many times do you have to be told that that was not the topic before it finally begins to sink in??? Good grief. The topic was Hillary's accusations against JS and TG.

Or the dufus was groomed as an asset long ago.

Congratulations!! You have now joined with HC in the "Outrageous Conspiracy Theories Club", characterized by making outrageous accusations for which is not a shred of evidence. Hey. For all we know, you might be being groomed as a Russkie asset right now!

There are many examples of multi party governing and Israel, and England come to mind and the head of state has to form a coalition for governing. Even our main parties have morphed through the years swallowing minor parties which do win state and local elections to this day. Even so called independents go with one party or the other as a practice. Rand Paul, and Bernie Sanders come to mind as well as Angus King.

Naw I don't see any third party candidates breaking through since Ross Pierrot ruined it for Pappy Bush, and it could be said that Jill Stein hurt HC.

I think you are probably right.

[talaniman]

How many times do you have to be told that that was not the topic before it finally begins to sink in??? Good grief. The topic was Hillary's accusations against JS and TG.

Which was assets and grooming!

Congratulations!! You have now joined with HC in the "Outrageous Conspiracy Theories Club", characterized by making outrageous accusations for which is not a shred of evidence. Hey. For all we know, you might be being groomed as a Russkie asset right now!

I present the dufus grooming with some evidence, since I have never seen, nor could imagine a POTUS taking the words of a dictator over that of his own intel community. Vlads action call into suspect all information floating on the web and internet platforms, and it's not like he would never do it when the opportunity came up, and it has unless you haven't been watching. There is still the open question as any financial ties between Vlad and the dufus which due diligence and caution dictates be taken with at least a cursory examination.

I mean this is the guy who is giving the ME to Vlad and the other minions, so not so far fetched at all. I would err on the side of eliminating the possibility rather than just dismissing the notion. You don't need evidence to verify do you?

[Vacuum7]

Talaniman: The words and actions of the INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY, in particularly those of the CIA, and to an extent even the collaborative extension of those of the FBI SHOULD ALWAYS BE QUESTIONED AND DOUBLE CHECKED, IF POSSIBLE, in my opinion. If everyone will remember, despite TODAY'S mantra that the words of the Intelligence Community are UNQUESTIONABLE AND PURE AS THE WIND DRIVEN SNOW, the same people on the left that have ALWAYS, WITHOUT FAIL, QUESTIONED the Intelligence Community about everything are now lining up behind that same Intelligence Community and complaining that those on the Right are idiots for not just taking everything that they say as the pure, unadulterated gospel.

I clearly remember, it was that long ago, that the left was raising pure hell with George Bush because he took the Intelligence Communities word that there were "Weapons Of Mass Destruction" in Iraq and he invaded the country based upon those words (there were no weapons of mass destruction, Bush's IC was wrong!). I also remember that Frank Church and the Church Committee eviscerated the CIA back in the '70s...they pulled the fangs out of the CIA: And, there is absolutely no way that could be construed as an endorsement of the Intelligence Community by the left! So, what I am saying here is that it is very disingenuous of the left to act like the Intelligence Community it their NEW BEST FRIEND now, just because Trump is at odds with them, when the left actually has about a 60 year history of impugning the Intelligence Community at every conceivable opportunity!

[jlisenbe]

Vac, it's just politics. "If you agree with me, then you must be right. If you disagree with me, then you're crazy as a loon."

[Vacuum7]

jlisenbe: YOU NAILED IT! And these damned "POLITICIANS" we have are going to drive me to drinking!

[paraclete]

Loon, looon, bay at the moon

[talaniman]

Trust but verify, so I agree with not swallowing anyones account of anything whole cloth, but the variable usually lies with the one with the power to act on data and intell doesn't it? Bush had his ideas, as did Obama, as does the dufus. Any POTUS has the responsibility to manage his administration so HE can at least rely on their councel, and assessments.

Maybe the dufus should manage his team better rather than bad mouth them and make them a scapegoat for his own failures, or AGENDA.

[Vacuum7]

Talaniman: Hard to argue against your contention.....but knowing HOW MUCH there is to manage is the weight of SO MANY VARIABLES that a mortal human being will engage "INSTRUMENT OVERLOAD" very quickly.....I honestly don't see how any POTUS can take all of this information in and digest it in the manner and depth it needs to be computed.....This is the classic example of a lake that is million square miles of surface area but only six inches deep! Navigation is almost impossible without being able to TRUST the people that work for you.....As you will recall from your days in production: The BEST Managers were the one's whole DELEGATED the workload in a sensible way, NOT THE MICROMANAGERS......If you get too much into the weeds on too many things, you end up needing 36 hour days! They don't make them...YET!....although, if they could, I am positive I would be called to work them by my superiors.

[talaniman]

I fault the dufus for being a micromanager instead of surrounding himself with qualified managers. That is his job as "CEO" of America, along with the advise and consent of the congress.

Good help is hard to find sometimes, but the dufus so far has little to reccommend he is doing such a great job though he will never admit he ain't, nor will his supporters and dependents. Nature of the beast I suppose.

[Vacuum7]

Talaniman: Well, you are right: One of the key metrics for judging a CEO is how and how effective his staff is at supporting him....it all falls back on the guy at the Top.....old saying about POTUS: THE BUCK STOPS HERE!

[talaniman]

This POTUS is all about finding faults with others because he has none! Just ask him. Everything he does is darn near perfect, whether it works or not, and the Ukraine and Syria are prime examples. Now he wants the Kurds to help him defend the oil fields in Iraq, so he can take the oil...WHAAAT!

[Vacuum7]

One American Soldier's life is worth more than all their damn oil! I do not support the idea of the U.S. protecting Iraq's oil so the high-browed Europeans can have access to oil: I have a NOVEL IDEA: Let the Europeans come down to Iraq and protect their oil, since they are probably the ones who will burn most of it. WHY IS IT WE HAVE TO DO ALL THE HEAVY LIFTING?!

[talaniman]

Ask the dufus why he cut a deal that dictators of the region love so much, and the dufus gets the oil which he has coveted a long time now.

[jlisenbe]

Loon, looon, bay at the moon

Sounds like the start of a good country music tune!

[Wondergirl]

Loon, loon,
bay at the moon.
Will it be soon
when you rest on a dune
and whistle a tune?

[Athos]

Clair de Lune
A new baboon
See you soon
Come next June

[jlisenbe]

Loon, loon,
bay at the moon.
Will it be soon
when you rest on a dune
and whistle a tune?

Clair de Lune
A new baboon
See you soon
Come next June

We'll be there soon
And we'll sing a new tune
In the light of the
silvery moon

(OK. I stole the last two lines.)

Add a steel guitar and banjo and we'll be in business.

[jlisenbe]

Interesting take on Hillary by Bill Maher.

Maher then referred to a Twitter message posted by Rep. Justin Amash, I-Mich., who called Hillary Clinton a "Donald Trump asset" in reaction to her claim that Rep. Tulsi Gabbard, D-Hawaii, was a "Russian asset" who was being "groomed" to run as a third-party candidate in 2020.

"She is!" Maher agreed. "And Bill is damaged goods. And I just think they've got to go away. We can't be associating them with the Democratic Party."

[tomder55]

funny Comey said that she was “extremely careless”the handling of classified information. But that no "reasonable" prosecutors would not indict her for the crimes she committed . The State Dept found 91 security violations . I don't see how anyone could come to the conclusion that there were no crimes when she destroyed evidence ;both deleting emails and by taking the hammer to 2 phones that were requested by investigators .Her use of the server itself violated Federal Law.


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1924

It really doesn't interest me in what the swamp critters at State conclude.

[Wondergirl]

And I just think they've got to go away. We can't be associating them with the Democratic Party."

Um, *cough cough* aren't both of them, like um, old news? And they looked like dinosaurs at Cummings' funeral.