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    Apr 4, 2019, 05:51 AM
    Poor Uncle Joe
    The nation's silliness grows ever greater. Now there are women who claim to have been offended because Joe Biden kissed them on the back of the head or smelled their hair. Why wouldn't a woman simply turn and ask him to stop? Problem solved. Instead, they have to make an issue about it with the ever cooperative national media. Pitiful. I don't like Biden's political positions, but this is really nonsense.

    Meanwhile, the ability of the political class in D.C. to act as though we have no sense seems to grow ever greater. Nancy Pelosi, in an interview concerning Biden's situation, claimed to be a member of the "straight arm club", meaning she believed in simply shaking hands (as opposed to hugging) and in treating others as though they "had a cold". Really? A simple web search shows this photo along with many other similar ones.

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    Apr 4, 2019, 08:36 AM
    JL, some guys and gals like to hug, and others don't. It depends on the relationship. Nancy and Barak, I'm sure, have great affection for each other. As for colleagues and coworkers, times have really changed regarding PDAs.
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    Apr 4, 2019, 09:36 AM
    I'd much rather talk about the Joe and Hunter Biden crime family . But I have to hedge my bets because he's the only sane candidate in the Dem ranks .
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    Apr 4, 2019, 02:21 PM
    JL, some guys and gals like to hug, and others don't. It depends on the relationship. Nancy and Barak, I'm sure, have great affection for each other.
    I agree with you on that. Trying to find the proper boundaries can be a chore, and both men and women need to tell each other when the boundaries have been crossed. I imagine you would agree with that. But when Pelosi leaves Biden hanging out to dry by trying to say she is a hand-shaker and not a hugger, then that becomes beyond ridiculous. I'm convinced the entire political class is convinced we will believe anything.
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    Apr 4, 2019, 02:45 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    But when Pelosi leaves Biden hanging out to dry by trying to say she is a hand-shaker and not a hugger, then that becomes beyond ridiculous. I'm convinced the entire political class is convinced we will believe anything.
    I'm guessing most of her physical contact with others is a handshake, and she saves the affection for those she knows well and has a good relationship with. Years ago, my mother told me I had to accept the hugs or kisses or pats from male family friends as well as relatives I rarely saw and often didn't remember. Thank goodness we've gotten beyond that!
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    Apr 4, 2019, 03:09 PM
    I'm guessing most of her physical contact with others is a handshake, and she saves the affection for those she knows well and has a good relationship with.
    I'm guessing she is a politician and likely prone to lying when she considers it to be profitable.

    Years ago, my mother told me I had to accept the hugs or kisses or pats from male family friends as well as relatives I rarely saw and often didn't remember. Thank goodness we've gotten beyond that!
    Agree completely. A woman should never be put into a situation in which she in not comfortable. On the other hand, there are too many women who are excessively affectionate upon meeting a man. That sends mixed signals which can cause problems. I think the Bible nails it when it refers to a "holy kiss". Whatever affection is shown should done in a holy manner.
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    Apr 4, 2019, 04:34 PM
    Biden's touchy feely BS would've been creepy in the days of Cary Grant,in the days of the Rat pack Sinatra days .The Dems dismissed it in the past as 'good ole Uncle Joe being good ole Uncle Joe. He talks of mores changing . But that is a garbage excuse . Never was his gropemeyster act acceptable .

    What is hypocritical about the whole thing is that the only reason he is being called out now is because the progressives and commies like Sanders (who almost assuredly is behind the sudden outrage ) are trying to knee-cap his campaign before it gets off the ground. Then they can divvy up the shattered emperor's coalition.
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    Apr 4, 2019, 05:23 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Biden's touchy feely BS would've been creepy in the days of Cary Grant,in the days of the Rat pack Sinatra days .The Dems dismissed it in the past as 'good ole Uncle Joe being good ole Uncle Joe. He talks of mores changing . But that is a garbage excuse . Never was his gropemeyster act acceptable .
    Why is Trump's acceptable -- and by Christians!!!

    What is hypocritical about the whole thing is that the only reason he is being called out now is because the progressives and commies like Sanders (who almost assuredly is behind the sudden outrage ) are trying to knee-cap his campaign before it gets off the ground. Then they can divvy up the shattered emperor's coalition.
    Nope. It's much more complicated than that. Stay tuned!
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    Apr 4, 2019, 06:51 PM
    Trump's isn't acceptable and I really don't care about this side show . Here is the story we should be focusing on
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...6VllSlGzNp-1dY
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    Apr 4, 2019, 07:01 PM
    I find a lot of things about Trump to be unacceptable. I'm not comfortable with those things like you seem to have been about Pelosi's, Obama's and HC's many problems. You know, that knife cuts both ways.
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    Apr 5, 2019, 06:44 AM
    here is a better reporting on the REAL Biden scandal .

    https://thehill.com/opinion/white-ho...obe-is-revived


    btw ; Joe Biden presided over the Senate Judiciary Committee confirmations of Justice Clarence Thomas . So he knew what the social norms were back in the 1980s and what was acceptable behavior .
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    Apr 5, 2019, 07:05 AM
    This may prove to be a lot more important than anything the dufus or ANY politician is talking about.

    https://nationalinterest.org/feature...nas-gain-23937

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-v...Name=worldNews
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    Apr 5, 2019, 01:43 PM
    if it were me I'd be enforcing the Monroe Doctrine . RT says the Chinese are there for 'humanitarian 'reasons. So do you have anything to say about Biden's collusion ?
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    Apr 5, 2019, 02:08 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    if it were me I'd be enforcing the Monroe Doctrine . RT says the Chinese are there for 'humanitarian 'reasons. So do you have anything to say about Biden's collusion ?
    Perhaps a less heavy handed approach would have seen better results but instead they have an open door. Let us hope that gunboat diplomacy isn't needed to change the situation, after all it didn't really work with Cuba, did it
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    Apr 5, 2019, 02:34 PM
    America as an Republic is over... It will no longer be able to conduct business. Each side will be suing or using the courts to delay or stop any action of the other.

    The Republicans would not stop chasing Obama's citizenship issue. This has taken a turn for the worst and the Democrats will not even accept Trump and if one attack fails, they just start others, so all of the resources are tied up attacking the President

    No matter who wins, the next time, it will only get worst and worst. The Socialists have won, and at some point there will be a President for life and the other party all put in jail. (like other countries do)

    I personally see the Republican doing this, since there is a better chance of the military following them.
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    Apr 5, 2019, 03:42 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck View Post
    America as an Republic is over... It will no longer be able to conduct business. Each side will be suing or using the courts to delay or stop any action of the other.

    The Republicans would not stop chasing Obama's citizenship issue. This has taken a turn for the worst and the Democrats will not even accept Trump and if one attack fails, they just start others, so all of the resources are tied up attacking the President

    No matter who wins, the next time, it will only get worst and worst. The Socialists have won, and at some point there will be a President for life and the other party all put in jail. (like other countries do)

    I personally see the Republican doing this, since there is a better chance of the military following them.
    I think you have spent too much time under one party government. Socialism, as implemented in the US, is not socialism, it is benevolent despotism. People can have health care if they can pay for it, the environment can be looked after if it yields its resources, the government owns large swathes of the country with access for recreational purposes, and the Congress actually passes legislation now and again
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    Apr 5, 2019, 07:00 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    if it were me I'd be enforcing the Monroe Doctrine . RT says the Chinese are there for 'humanitarian 'reasons. So do you have anything to say about Biden's collusion ?
    Still looking into this as repubs ignored it, so don't know much except it will be a campaign issue for Biden, but Russia and China have money on the brain in Venezuela, and despite the mismanagement of it's resources it's still there.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck View Post
    America as an Republic is over... It will no longer be able to conduct business. Each side will be suing or using the courts to delay or stop any action of the other.

    The Republicans would not stop chasing Obama's citizenship issue. This has taken a turn for the worst and the Democrats will not even accept Trump and if one attack fails, they just start others, so all of the resources are tied up attacking the President

    No matter who wins, the next time, it will only get worst and worst. The Socialists have won, and at some point there will be a President for life and the other party all put in jail. (like other countries do)

    I personally see the Republican doing this, since there is a better chance of the military following them.
    It's a Civil War Charles, 21st century style.

    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    I think you have spent too much time under one party government. Socialism, as implemented in the US, is not socialism, it is benevolent despotism. People can have health care if they can pay for it, the environment can be looked after if it yields its resources, the government owns large swathes of the country with access for recreational purposes, and the Congress actually passes legislation now and again
    So we have glitches... so what... who doesn't?
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    Apr 5, 2019, 07:16 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post



    So we have glitches... so what... who doesn't?
    Glitches, the last fifty years has been one glitch after another. Somewhere you have lost the concept that an elected government is there for a purpose, to govern, not to be opposed at every turn. Some opposition is healthy, but deliberate undermining of government isn't opposition, it is treason
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    Apr 5, 2019, 08:40 PM
    When Lee surrendered in 1865 the real fighting began and it's still rages on. Going to the moon and killing Osama were just side things along the way, but the war rages on. I guess to build a better union you have to tear stuff up and start again, but supposedly there is method to the madness.

    Glitches do happen when you have a works still in progress and half of us are loony as Betsy bugs.
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    Apr 6, 2019, 04:22 AM
    The Republicans would not stop chasing Obama's citizenship issue.
    That was a small segment of Republicans. The better example was the Republicans committed to putting road blocks in front of his agenda . That did not stop him from force feeding his program through when the Dems had majorities in Congress ;and later by executive action.
    Trump squandered his time when he had congressional majorities .He got the tax cuts passed ..good for the economy ;good for him. But the more important agenda IMO was border security ;the issue that won him the Presidency . In that case he has failed . The reasons he has failed are mostly the opposition fault . But he has not been effective in doing what is doable .

    No matter who wins, the next time, it will only get worst and worst.
    Probably true . Both parties are purging moderates from their ranks . These attacks on Biden being the most recent example . I say go for it . Crazed socialists will be much easier to defeat . There is a lot wrong with Biden. But he is the only one of the group I believe who could win the swing states .
    The Socialists have won, and at some point there will be a President for life and the other party all put in jail. (like other countries do)

    I personally see the Republican doing this, since there is a better chance of the military following them.
    In a way the socialists have won. No one talks of fiscal responsibility anymore . President for life ? Not really ;but if they succeed in orchestrating a coup against Trump then it is reasonable to suggest that no one will be elected to the Presidency who isn't a member of the political duopoly .(unfortunately Trump was not the right outsider to break the control. )

    It's a Civil War Charles, 21st century style.
    Professor Michael Vlahos of the Naval War College and the
    Global Security Studies program at Johns Hopkins University’s School of Arts and Sciences has argued for years that the American identity is a permanent state of civil war. We were lulled into believing a different reality because we are the children of the post WWII era .Until the 1960s there was a brief time when our civil war impulses were turned outward .

    "Today, two righteous paths are gridlocked in opposition. Both perceive themselves as champions of national renewal, of cleansing corrupted ideals, and of truly fulfilling America’s promise. Both fervently believe that they alone own virtue. Yet the banners of each course are absolutist mirrors of one another, pro and contra, all or nothing. Moreover, lightning rod issues, as in the 1770s and 1850s, make the space between battle lines a no man’s land, forcing majority moderates and compromising fence-sitters to choose or be called out as willing collaborators with the other. "

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