[talaniman]

Trump told the truth about May and the way she is screwing up Brexit. She is days away from a vote of confidence and that has nothing to do with Trump or the Russians .I doubt if the Tories would back her in a new election .

No ;what is destroying England and the EU is uncontrolled migration . With Brexit they have a chance to get control .

At least she is taking a hard line about the Russians poisoning Brits .

Please elaborate on your statements as I am interested in the facts of why you believe that immigration is destroying England and the EU, (And America?) and what is her mishandling of Brexit. Right wing hollering points based on FEAR, are not facts, nor will lead to a solution or reasonable process. I mean extricating ones self from a long held trade practice, and replacing it with new infrastructures is a HUGE logistical nightmare.

Wonder when the Dufus will take a hardline on poisoning Brits after this last episode?

[paraclete]

Please elaborate on your statements as I am interested in the facts of why you believe that immigration is destroying England and the EU, (And America?) and what is her mishandling of Brexit. Right wing hollering points based on FEAR, are not facts, nor will lead to a solution or reasonable process. I mean extricating ones self from a long held trade practice, and replacing it with new infrastructures is a HUGE logistical nightmare.

Wonder when the Dufus will take a hardline on poisoning Brits after this last episode?

What part of too many Muslims don't you get? Culture clash? Lack of skills? Lawlessness, terrorism?

What will he make of the victim possessing the agent? another Russian incursion into Britain?

[talaniman]

What part of too many Muslims don't you get? Culture clash? Lack of skills? Lawlessness, terrorism?

What will he make of the victim possessing the agent? another Russian incursion into Britain?

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[tomder55]

May is letting the EU dicate the terms of the Brit withdrawal . She is slow walking it and watering it down and frankly hopes it will go away . If she remains in power I predict the invoking of Article 50 will be revoked . So much for the will of the people. As for migration... this influx will change the culture of the nation the likes it hasn't seen since the Norman invasion .

[talaniman]

I don't see the queen changing her tea time anytime soon.

[paraclete]

The Queen is remote from any of it and may be even respected by all her subjects, she makes no war on anyone, perhaps american presidents could learn from her example, but immigration has been a serious problem for Britain and this is what triggered brexit. Britain needs to walk away from the EU and its creeping socialism and if there is a hard landing Britain has friends in other places and there will be many making a beeline for her door. The EU will eventually embrace Russia because of energy and it is just reality

[tomder55]

The queen lives insular in a castle . The population which already is behind the 8 ball with the socialist system are paying a heavy price for the strain on the public services .

[paraclete]

The queen lives insular in a castle . The population which already is behind the 8 ball with the socialist system are paying a heavy price for the strain on the public services .

Yes a strain made greater by freeloading migrants and the EU. The Queen is not unaware of affairs domestic or international, she is informed by the government of the day, but is a head of state not a politician. What do you think the White House is? A beach bungalow?

[tomder55]

The Presidency is an executive function that has grown in power well beyond what was intended because the legislative branch has ceded power to the executive and the permanent bureaucratic state . In no way can the Presidency be compared to the freeloaders at Buckingham Palace .

[talaniman]

That may well be the case but as Clete alluded The announcement of the indictment goes well beyond just a weekend news dump or distraction from the partisan house hearing farce. I believe it possible it was timed intentionally so The Dufus had the TRUTH to take with him before the meeting with his buddy Vlad. What he does with it will be telling, as he mulls it over this weekend.

A feckless congress is still our biggest problem though, and the founders, even though I fully believe that they knew over time, things would certainly change, would be horrified at the current version of what they created.

We will never get the Russians in court, but there is more to be revealed for sure. We should not let the Dufus gloss over these recent indictments with his slick talk and lies and blaming everybody else because he does have a DUTY to protect us from the actions of his boyfriend Vlad.

What will he do is the question. You have my solution...pimp slap the beetch!

[tomder55]

and the founders, even though I fully believe that they knew over time, things would certainly change, would be horrified at the current version of what they created.

Washington knew . He walked out of the only time he visited Congress and never returned .

[tomder55]

because he does have a DUTY to protect us from the actions of his boyfriend Vlad.

every President since Roosevelt has had multiple sit downs and summits with their Russian counterpart . That's the jaw jaw jaw part that prevents the war war war part .

Your side is out of control nutty over the Ruskies . I thought I was the cold warrior here . I remember clearly the massive demonstration by the left against Reagan's plan to put Pershings in Europe. Now you guys want us to cross the border with our 1% GDP armed allies to have an existential confrontation with them .

As bad as Putty is ,he is no Stalin . Roosevelt met with that mass murderer a number of times and supplied him with a critical arms supply that kept his regime in power for another almost 60 years .


We need to work with the Russians ,like it or not ,on areas of similar interests even if we consider them a hostile competitor … like ending the Syrian conflict ; getting our troops out of Afghanistan (right now going through Russia is our only option) ,denuclearizing the NORKS ,checking China ,and taking care of the Iranian regime. and of course we have similar interests in defeating jihadistan .

Russia doesn't have troops on our border unless you consider that short hop across the Bering Strait . US troops conduct war games right on their border in Poland and the Baltics .We actively seek more NATO expansion right on their border . We wage war on their border in Afghanistan . Iran is on their border and we have had a proxy war with them since 1979 .The NORKS are on their border and relations with them could go any which way depending on which time of the month it is ,or if un Kim is in a good or bad mood. The emperor told Putty that we were only going into Libya for humanitarian reasons. That is why Putty agreed to the UN resolution okaying it . Turns out the emperor lied to him . We went in their to wack QDaffy .Sorta puts us on the wrong side of the trust ledger . Oh yeah and we sent covert ops into Ukraine to influence their election .

Don't get me wrong . I despise him and only wish he would meet the same horrible fate as some of his nuclear poisoning victims . But the fact is we have no choice but to deal with Russia . So your sides logic of putting the blame on him for the fact that your candidate sucked and couldn't even hold on to the coalition of voters that loved her thieving ,lying ,hubby is irrational

[talaniman]

You and the Dufus spin good fiction. Maybe a book deal is in your future. Screw Vlad and his oligarchs. He is a murderous thug criminal dictator. Enriching him is the last thing you should do given the current state of affairs. He is no competitor in free trade, and the money doesn't go to his nation or the people. We both know that is a FACT.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.38cac93634d3

On this I agree with The Dufus, so please read up on the Panama Papers, and get a perspective where his money goes and understand the bind the Europeans are in with their energy needs. Understand also Vlad's role in destabilizing not just our political system, but many other nations as well. I mean would he be propping up another dog dictator like Assad were it not for his military base in the Mediterranean?

So we should think before we get in bed with this dictator or any other because cooperation with a snake will get you bit. War and poverty are the causes of migration, and loyalties and bodies for armies have been bought because of both. Those are the facts of human history and modern times.

The worse thing about a fox in the hen house, is TWO! The beneficiary of any deal is the Dufus, surpassed only by Vlad, as far as this conversation is concerned. There are many others. Merkel is in a pickle all right, as she has wolves surrounding her. You can rationalize away the global right wing nationalistic movement away all you want, but it's the hottest geo-political game in the world.

Maybe Vlad is the Dufus's competitor (Vlad, NOT Russia) because they both want to be at the top of the heap calling the shots. You lose when that happens. We're losing now, you just won't admit it.

[paraclete]

We're losing now, you just won't admit it.

You are right Tal you are losing and it might be because of Trump trade policies, but everyone wins if we go back to detaunte with Russia, so liven up and smell the roses, I assume you have roses over there

[tomder55]

honestly ? The narrative that Trump and Putin colluded to steal the American election is fiction LeCarre ,and Flemming couldn't conger up in their best days as authors .Vlad is just the latest version of the Russian Czar ,and McCain has it right when he says Putty runs a gas station. That's why I want fracking and energy independence ;not to enrich Putty but to bury him. I'll say it again EVERY President since and including Roosevelt have had summits and meetings with their Russian counterpart . Your side hates Trump so much that you are willing to put our 2 nations on the brink again .It is a very dangerous path .You've so muddied the waters to a point where on both sides (here and in Russia) it is politically dangerous to conduct simple diplomacy . You think Putty doesn't have critics who think he's too soft on the US ?Like I said ,what happened in Libya looks like betrayal to many people in the Kremlin.

[paraclete]

He hates Trump, he hates Putin, I beginning to wonder who does he like, only has-been's and want-to-be's, Libya is a mistake Putin won't make again. What does it matter if Putin sells energy, in this he is a competitor but of a different kind, one who is buying hearts and minds with some gas to cook with, this is something the US can't do

[tomder55]

We’ve gone through a week where Trump was supposedly destroying the Western alliance, allegedly at Putin’s bidding, at the same time the president was forcefully advocating two policies anathema to the Kremlin...... More European defense spending and opposition to the Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

My one concern about the upcoming meeting is that I doubt Trump is properly briefed before the meeting . Kennedy was taken to school in his 1st meeting with Nikita Khrushchev .Khrushchev came out of that meeting sure that Kennedy was weak ;and that I'm sure played a part of his calculations that led to the Berlin and later the Cuban missile crisis . So it will be vital that there be no misspeak that can be wrongly interpreted by Putin. So far on this trip Trump's blunt and unschooled style has been a mixed bag of success and embarrassment. He cannot afford any such ambiguity during his meeting with Puty

[paraclete]

I think it falacy to assume Russia and the US are equal either militarily or economically, Putin knows this and so does Trump. He can afford to be magnaminous and firm, simply telling Vlad what he told Kim, nuclear disarmament should be the long term goal. They can both agree an end to the war in Syria, the US can take a more neutral stance on the Ukraine and maybe call off some games, after all, the problem is one of EU making. A little common sense on both sides and everyone wins

[talaniman]

Nothing will come of this meeting, just as nothing came of the meeting with Kim. It's just publicity and a photo op for the walls of Mara Lago and the rest of Trumps properties, so he can raise the rent. World leaders should talk, but The Dufus has no strategy, long or short term, other than building a Trump Tower in Moscow. Or maybe he is asking for asylum, for when he gets impeached for being a feckless Dufus, or the law catches him in his dirt.

[paraclete]

Nothing will come of this meeting, just as nothing came of the meeting with Kim. It's just publicity and a photo op for the walls of Mara Lago and the rest of Trumps properties, so he can raise the rent. World leaders should talk, but The Dufus has no strategy, long or short term, other than building a Trump Tower in Moscow. Or maybe he is asking for asylum, for when he gets impeached for being a feckless Dufus, or the law catches him in his dirt.

Well Tal I see it as a ppositive that they are not shouting at each other. Vlad gives everyone asylum, he only has to ask. You are obscessed with impeachment but even if it happens dems still won't be in the White House, you backed the wrong horse and it's time to retire that one