[tomder55]

Remember how we mocked the lofty utopian rhetoric of the emperor ...his victory was 'the moment history would record the oceans would recede' ?????

Well add herr Donald to the list of dreamers . His inauguration speech was chock full of expectations . Trump will bring back our jobs,bring back our wealth,bring back our dreams."We will get our people off of welfare and back to work, rebuilding our country with American hands and American labor….We stand at the birth of a new millennium, ready to unlock the mysteries of space, to free the earth from the miseries of disease, and to harness the energies, industries and technologies of tomorrow.” And we will “unite the civilized world against radical Islamic terrorism, which we will eradicate from the face of the Earth.”

Bring back our dreams !!!! That's all we ask for !

Instead of government we had a stage
Instead of ideas, a prima donna's rage
Instead of help we were given a crowd
He (She) didn't say much, but he (she) said it loud
(Oh What a Circus from 'Evita')

[paraclete]

Tom he gave a speech full on rhetoric, how could he do otherwise? He didn't tell you anything you hadn't heard before and will hear again. He may act against islamic state, in its weakened condition it should be a push over for a mighty power, he may even ask his Russian allies to join in to finish what they started, its going to be a turkey shoot, no pun intended.

We all know whose going to do the work when it comes down to it, cheap labour, because the jobs, if they exist, will be cheap labour jobs. Trump is not an innovator, his vision is from the past, not the future, big military confronting a threat of his own making

[tomder55]

His rhetoric matches that of utopian socialists ;that's my point. He even used the dark despair narrative that guys like Tal like to spew. Trump's America is a place of closed factories, devastated inner cities, citizens who have been exploited by a political class that grew rich while others lost their livelihoods. He thinks we are a nation beaten and defeated by enemies and friends alike . His answers are more big government solutions .

[talaniman]

His answers are more government solutions .

That's the job of government! Whether your boy Donald can do that is another thing all together.

[tomder55]

typo should read more big government solutions . He is a statist despite his desire to be an outsider .

[talaniman]

Government should be big enough to SERVE ALL its citizens.

It should be noted the population is growing so logically so should the government.

[tomder55]

What government has grown is out of touch with the people . That is why you can have demagogue populists like Trump and Sanders do so well in the election cycle. But they are not what is needed. They will enable just bigger more intrusive government .

What we need is limited government federalism . The writers of the Constitution knew one day the federal government would encroach on the powers of the states and the rights of the people. George Mason promoted Article V of the Constitution to give the people, through their state legislatures, the right to rein in their government and restore it to its proper bounds. It is time for the people to exercise that clause to reign in the excesses of the federal government ,

[talaniman]

The states are a cesspool of corruption. Some more than others.

[paraclete]

What government has grown is out of touch with the people . That is why you can have demagogue populists like Trump and Sanders do so well in the election cycle. But they are not what is needed. They will enable just bigger more intrusive government .

What we need is limited government federalism . The writers of the Constitution knew one day the federal government would encroach on the powers of the states and the rights of the people. George Mason promoted Article V of the Constitution to give the people, through their state legislatures, the right to rein in their government and restore it to its proper bounds. It is time for the people to exercise that clause to reign in the excesses of the federal government ,

Tom political thinking has moved on from the eighteenth century, your founders couldn't have conceived of the threats your nation faces.maybe this is the time for a strong central government approach because your states aren't capable of a solution

[tomder55]

nah ,their thinking is universal and self evident . Empires are centrally controlled .The world was dealing with centrally controlled despotic regimes long before the Framers .

[paraclete]

That maybe so Tom, human nature is what it is, and political power gravitates to the centre, if you haven't noticed there are efficiencies in this approach. You cannot have a federal government whose focus is purely external, leaving the detail to the states, someone has to bring uniformity otherwise there is chaos, such as demonstrated by the ACA.

[talaniman]

The chaos around the ACA is strictly partisan, brought to you by Republicans! The title of this thread should be Trump, the new dystopian right wing would be despot! That would be more accurate!

[excon]

Hello again,

Tyranny from the right or the left IS tyranny nonetheless.. Trump IS a fascist. Until THAT truth is told, Trump WINS..

excon

[smoothy]

Trump didn't commit election fraud OR rig the Debates like the Democrats were caught doing with proof finally trying to steal yet another election..

SO....what does that make THEM then....Trump didn't stoop to that level..nor have the Republicans ever been proven to have.


http://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2...ion-gigapixel/

CNN debunks their OWN claims of crowd size at Inauguration by showing it packed back to the monument in their gigapixel photo after trying to pass off an 8:30am photo shortly after they started letting people in as the real thing...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_oQ-kgUk5g

[tomder55]

This not about crowd size. That is a silly distracting trap that Trump fell for . It was about for me conservatives still not realizing that they voted for a Democrat in everything but name. Yesterday Trump signed an executive order pulling the US out of TPP . The 1st person to praise his move was Bernie Sanders .

[Athos]

This not about crowd size. That is a silly distracting trap that Trump fell for . It was about for me conservatives still not realizing that they voted for a Democrat in everything but name. Yesterday Trump signed an executive order pulling the US out of TPP . The 1st person to praise his move was Bernie Sanders .

Not only looking like a Democrat, but, with all his government intervention, smelling like a (gasp) socialist.

[talaniman]

He is going to Executive Order the Keystone Pipeline for the oil boys so they will be happy.

[paraclete]

So can we say he is doing an Obama ruling by fiat?