[talaniman]

How about just arresting those doing wrong. Much easier that way. Things are much quieter now.

[paraclete]

Not exactly proactive policing Tal, but then we wouldn't want to violate anyone's rights, would we? No, the solution of shooting down the wrong doers rather than having them set free by the courts seems to work. A no tolerance policy usually gets results

[talaniman]

The situation didn't call for proactive, just being effective, which they were. What were they supposed to arrest everybody? Or would you prefer gunning them down?

They were proactive enough. No tolerance for what?

[paraclete]

The situation didn't call for proactive, just being effective, which they were. What were they supposed to arrest everybody? Or would you prefer gunning them down?

They were proactive enough. No tolerance for what?

Civil disorder Tal, vigilante justice, but proactive is called for with cop killers in the community

[talaniman]

NoNo cops got killed Clete, except in NY, and he's dead!

[paraclete]

That's three down Tal and counting, just because they didn't succeed doesn't mean they weren't cop killers

[tomder55]

yesterday tens of thousands of cops attended the funeral. When Mayor de Blasio (aka -de Commie-o) got up to talk. They turned their back on him in symbolic protest . Hizzoner d*ckhead was 2 hrs late for the memorial;showing up just before it concluded .

[paraclete]

Yep that's proactive

[speechlesstx]

Comrade BeBlasio on being booed at the NYPD graduation ceremony, nanny Boomberg was booed once, too.

[tomder55]

yes Bloomy was booed after he talked of layoffs . Sandanista Mayor De Blasio enflamed protesters with his rhetoric.

[speechlesstx]

Yup, I don't think they took too kindly to it.

[paraclete]

Once again the US is being tried in the court of public opinion, this time because they shunned the international expressions of solidarity over Charlie Hembro

'A storm in a D.C. teacup' - CNN.com

There is a big question here, is this callous disregard because it didn't happen here or a media beatup over a notable absence. I have to say our PM didn't go either and I don't know what that says. When you see what happened in France it is obvious it is the action of a small group who may or may not have allegiences to a major terror organisation. The terrorists have achieved their objective, France is in lockdown but the focus is on what Obama didn't do as if it has any bearing on the outcome. How about getting the focus on the victims, there are reports that the French jewish population is contemplating migrating. They can migrate here, it is preferable to muslim migration

Je Suis Charlie

[tomder55]

The emperor had football games to watch. VP Biden ;well it's not safe to let him outside. JF Kerry would've been a natural choice ;especially since he's French in spirit anyway. The one who speaks of courage but rarely shows it ;Eric Holder was there in Paris and decided to bug out before the march.
Remember when all the endorsements for the emperor in 2008 noted that he was a citizen of the world and he would repair the US relations that the Bushies destroyed ? Well his foreign policies have been one failure after another . His State dept is a joke .He has made relations with allies worse and too often show common cause with our enemies (especially with Iran and the Ikhwan) .

Let's see if he travels to Moscow to celebrate the 70th anniversary of Russia's 'Victory Day' . He's invited ,but I suspect he'll decline . Too bad . That could be an ice breaking occasion .

[tomder55]

Michael Ramirez Cartoon

[talaniman]

Ultra conservative news coverage of the Paris march.

[tomder55]

there are reports that the French jewish population is contemplating migrating

yes anti-semitism has always been an issue in egalitarian France. But the biggest problem is the migration of Muslims into the country . The Europeans think they can have workers come in and not assimilate without consequences. George Friedman has a good essay on this issue .
A War Between Two Worlds | Stratfor

Of course the US is falling into the same trap. We used to say about immigration is that we have a melting pot . Now we call our society a 'mosaic' .You see it with all the hyphenization of identity . We aren't Americans . We are Italian-Americans ,Irish-Americans ,African-Americans etc.

However ,the big weakness of that progressive drivel is that 'tribal' differences are emphasized, not minimized in the 'beautiful mosaic 'concept . Another name for it is 'Balkanization' .

[talaniman]

Obviously Tom, all tribes are not equal, especially in America. That's not what's written in the constitution either.

[paraclete]

You are right Tal all the tribes are not equal and certainly not in the place that talks of equality but this has been ever so, it has enabled one group to enslave another and one group to dominate another, there are many examples of this and the wars we have today are in fact this principle in human behaviour playing out. However the tribal boundries have changed, they are less associated with race and far more associated with ideology and religion and it is niaive to suggest that religion is not one of the key factors or that the devil made them do it

And we see the ultimate tribal system at play when Tom asks will Obama travel to Moscow? If he were a statesman he would, if he is just a tribal elder he will not.

[tomder55]

tal ,you completely missed the point about my use of the word 'tribal ' . So strike that and say .....However ,the big weakness of that progressive drivel is that 'ethnic ' differences are emphasized, not minimized in the 'beautiful mosaic 'concept .

[paraclete]

Let's agree multiculturalism doesn't work, it's a marvellous idea that people don't have to change and adapt but unrealistic, when you come to a country there is an ethos, there is a language, there are laws and why should this change for a minority who choose to come and leave their homeland. We have seen is that what happens over time is the original inhabitants fade away in the face of large scale migration but one culture pervades. Multiculturalism is born out of the idea that displaced persons need a home but that's fine as far as it goes. There are few societies that are prepared to take large numbers of displaced persons