[paraclete]

As I said Tom not a quality implementation

[tomder55]

So far out of Alaska's 140,000 uninsured ,7 have managed to sign up in the exchanges 3 weeks into it's launch.
Few Alaskans signing up for Obamacare through online health marketplaces | KTVA CBS 11 | Anchorage, Alaska News and Weather | Top Stories

[excon]

Hello again, tom:

If it fails of its own accord, then good riddance. But, those numbers WILL change. In fact, "signing up" ISN'T buying anything. No policies will be sold until January 1. And, of course, we KNOW that the national website is screwed up.. But, it WILL be fixed, and people WILL buy insurance. How many? I dunno. You don't either.

Speaking of the unknown, since the amount of people who're gonna BUY insurance isn't known, then it CAN'T be known if Obamacare will work.

THAT, my friend, is just so.

excon

[talaniman]

You wrote about equality, except for the slaves, then you hollered and killed for the right to have slaves. Then you hollered and killed for the right to deny them the vote, then you hollered about helping old people, young people, and people you made poor.

Then you hollered about paying for people who go to the emergency room and called them lazy and stupid for not having insurance but now you holler about getting them to pay for insurance and get a doctor.

You guys just like to holler.

How about hollering at the insurance companies who keep raising your rates, and kicking you off when you needed them? Naw, you don't holler about that. At least not anymore.

[tomder55]

You wrote about equality, except for the slaves, then you hollered and killed for the right to have slaves. Then you hollered and killed for the right to deny them the vote, then you hollered about helping old people, young people, and people you made poor.

Then you hollered about paying for people who go to the emergency room and called them lazy and stupid for not having insurance but now you holler about getting them to pay for insurance and get a doctor.

You guys just like to holler.

How about hollering at the insurance companies who keep raising your rates, and kicking you off when you needed them? Naw, you don't holler about that. At least not anymore.

? Try decaff

[talaniman]

Caffeine or not, Tom, you can't keep hollering foul before the play starts and when its just not your turn at bat. You cannot ignore your own failures to win elections and votes are the American Way.

Nobody's fault but your own you keep selecting the wrong conservative. Or the wrong presidential nominee. Go ahead keep getting rid of your RINOS.

[tomder55]

Cafiene or not, Tom, you can't keep hollering foul before the play starts and when its just not your turn at bat. You cannot ignore your own failures to win elections and votes are the American Way.

Nobody's fault but your own you keep selecting the wrong conservative. Or the wrong presidential nominee. Go ahead keep getting rid of your RINOS.

You are wrong because every other entitlement program in history had bipartisan support prior to passage. You cannot ignore the fact that the emperor's minions had 3 years to put together a web site to get the ball rolling and they failed miserably at that .
Here is the reality... on Jan 1 the IRS is going to start asking what insurance you are signed up in... and MANY people will not have an answer. Many more think they are signed up but are not .Still more are signed up to multiple options . You cannot deny the fact that the HHS Sec is going around the country and admitting that she has no answers to the basic flaws in the exchange system.

[tomder55]

You cannot deny the fact that the HHS Sec is going around the country and admitting that she has no answers to the basic flaws in the exchange system.

But she doesn't have the time to attend a Congressional hearing on the problems with the web site.

CNN: Sebelius Making Time For Gala, Not Testimony Before Congress - YouTube

[talaniman]

You are wrong because every other entitlement program in history had bipartisan support prior to passage. You cannot ignore the fact that the emperor's minions had 3 years to put together a web site to get the ball rolling and they failed miserably at that .
Here is the reality... on Jan 1 the IRS is going to start asking what insurance you are signed up in... and MANY people will not have an answer. Many more think they are signed up but are not .Still more are signed up to multiple options . You cannot deny the fact that the HHS Sec is going around the country and admitting that she has no answers to the basic flaws in the exchange system.

Show me the rule where there has to be a bi partisan support for passage of a bill to become a law. I thought it was just having the votes to pass was what matters. Now the rollout of this program may not be the best at this early stage, but that doesn't mean it won't get better, so we have to see what happens.

As to your IRS reality that too is suspect since enrollment will continue untilApril, and..

Health insurance mandate: How will it work? - Jun. 29, 2012

The penalty will be pro-rated based on the number of months during the year that you're uninsured, although those who are uninsured for less than three months in a given year would not be subject to the penalty.

So clearly you cannot be penalized until April 15th 2015 when the tax returns for 2014 are due. So what are you hollering about?

But she doesn't have the time to attend a Congressional hearing on the problems with the web site.

CNN: Sebelius Making Time For Gala, Not Testimony Before Congress - YouTube

No subpoena? Who in there right mind skips a party for date with Darrel Issa? That's a no brainer, so what's your point?

Maybe Issa should have gone to the gala, but who would invite him to a dogfight? Really sorry things ain't working out according to the winger plan, but that's the consequences of FAILING to win the last election.

[tomder55]

Show me the rule where there has to be a bi partisan support for passage of a bill to become a law. I thought it was just having the votes to pass was what matters.

More my way or the highway logic... the emperor taught you well Padawan .
Wonder why he now is asking for bipartisanship on entitlement reform ? I'll answer for you since you obviously don't get that something as major as entitlements ,or other congressional reforms that will last for generations and significantly affects tens of millions of Americans. Should have a broad based support . Otherwise what you have is what you see now... disunity, angry protests, increased political polarization, and deepen distrust of Washington.

Social Security had majority support by Republicans in the House (81 yes, 15 no) and in the Senate (16 yes, five no).

Doctors were opposed to Medicare and Medicaid, but the public supported it . The two programs attracted a bipartisan majority in Congress of nearly all Democrats and half the Republicans. Medicare Part D prescription drug benefit got nine Democratic votes in the House, but 35 of 48 Senate Democrats voted for it.
Obamacare ? The Repubics were virtually shut out of the process and the vote tally showed that .

As to your IRS reality that too is suspect since enrollment will continue untilApril, and..

And you think maybe the IRS won't be asking for proof of insurance starting Jan 1 with the personal mandate still in place ? What happens to filiers who don't have insurance yet .Do they now have to wait until April to file ?

No subpoena? Who in there right mind skips a party for date with Darrel Issa? That's a no brainer, so what's your point?

Ummm it isn't Issa's committee requesting her presence . It's the Energy and Commerce Committee chaired by Fred Upton who requested her testimony . Usually subpoenas aren't necessary because a cabinet member who's very job was dependent on advise and consent understands the importance of transparency . I guess the concept of oversight either escapes you ,or like the rest of the regime you think it's beneath the executive dept to permit Congress to do their constitutionally delegated role .
No doubt she'll agree to an invite by Sen D*ckhead Durbin where she'll be happy to answer soft ball questions about her failures as HHS Sec.

[talaniman]

Come off it Tom, you cannot answer a question honestly so you get snarky, and fact is there is no penalty for not having insurance this year, and you can file 2013 taxes whenever you want by April 15th. 2014, as usual.

Your facts are seriously flawed.

[paraclete]

Tal, change is hard to understand for older people, perhaps this is why Tom dislikes the ACA so much

[speechlesstx]

You guys just like to holler.

Do you listen to yourself? You more or less insulted our intelligence on another thread and I just have to wonder how smart it is to stubbornly defend a poorly planned policy with so many bad consequences that America doesn't want and you can't even get the signup right... and then blame the shutdown for the exchange disaster.

From Obama's pep rally on Obamacare today:

“About three weeks ago, as the federal government shutdown, and the Affordable Care Act's health insurance marketplaces opened up across the country,” said Obama. “Well, we've now gotten the government back open for the American people and today I want to talk about how were going to get the marketplaces running at full steam as well.”

What the? Come on, stop treating us like we're all stupid.

P.S. Of the 13 props he had onstage with him today, only 3 managed to actually register. They couldn't find 13 people who managed to get through and know for sure their registration was good?

[smoothy]

[smoothy]

This is EXACTLY what most of the AMerican population views Obamacare like...




Excatly what it ammounts to... a body cavity search.

[tomder55]

Glitches have been redefined as 'technical problems ' .Given how much money the Obamacare website has already cost, how much will taxpayers have to shell out for the "tech surge" to fix it?

[talaniman]

Probably a lot less than the shutdown of the government costs taxpayers.

[smoothy]

Probably a lot less than the shutdown of the government costs taxpayers.

Unlikely... Obamas lied about everything else... it's likely already cost in the Billions so far... so why not throw a few Billion more at something that's hopelessly broken.

What they should be demanding is a full refund for breach of contract and non-performance.

Claiming it "has a few small problems" is like claiming that ex taxicab with 300,000 miles bellowing smoke and running on half its cylinders and not a straight panel on the entire body just needs "minor detailing" to make it like new.

[paraclete]

Unlikely... Obamas lied about everything else... it's likely already cost in the Billions so far... so why not throw a few Billion more at something that's hopelessly broken.

What they should be demanding is a full refund for breach of contract and non-performance.

Claiming it "has a few small problems" is like claiming that ex taxicab with 300,000 miles bellowing smoke and running on half its cylinders and not a straight panel on the entire body just needs "minor detailing" to make it like new.

You are just demonstrating you don't understand software development. What the problem here is scale, very few systems are written for similtaneous access by millions of on line clients. When such a system is written it isn't possible to test this aspect of operation.

So you have a system that fell over in the field. Welcome to the club

[smoothy]

You are just demonstrating you don't understand software development. What the problem here is scale, very few systems are written for similtaneous access by millions of on line clients. When such a system is written it isn't possible to test this aspect of operation.

So you have a system that fell over in the field. Welcome to the club

They had THREE years... less than one percent of the people that actually we able to even get registered were able to get insurance... that is far less than a fraction of a percent.

Way over a 99% failure rate at roll-out... beta tests have far fewer problems. Hell, most alpha testing works better.

For something that was already over budget by many times the original contract bid and award. Most federal contracts would have been canceled for non-performance... we aren't talking minor bugs... we are talking about something that flat out doesn't come anywhere near working as advertized..

Am I a programmer? No... but I've got more than a little experience in beta testing. I used to work Research and Development earlier in my career.

And nothing this flawed by any reputable company would ever have a customer actually touching it...much less be put on the market.