[tomder55]

The Monthly Population Survey has been an ongoing effort by the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS)since 1960 to get a profile on the typical Aussie worker.
But recently the questions have become more personal ;especially regarding the workers and their family sex life. Citizens have been complaining about gvt surveyors knocking on their doors and asking very intrusive personal questions. One resident was asked what sexual partners his wife had, and also asked when either of them would be home alone. If residents decline these questions, they can face fines or even jail time. The only question residents can legally refuse to answer are questions regarding religion.

And they do take action... Last year the ABS took action against 1,500 Aussies, in which 94 were referred to the Director of Public Prosecutions.
Today Tonight - Data collecting concerns - YouTube

[Tuttyd]

This looks to be the genuine article and not some phony beat-up we have become used to. Congratulations may be in order.

[cdad]

This is insane if it is really true. Also why can't these people refuse on the grounds of religion and since that is out of bounds there is no recourse. Maybe if they gave them their guns back then they wouldn't be knocking on so many doors.

Or are we looking into the future with the coming of Obama care and what they may ask during an interview ?

[tomder55]

This looks to be the genuine article and not some phony beat-up we have become used to. Congratulations may be in order.

Glad you approve

[tomder55]

Or are we looking into the future with the coming of Obama care and what they may ask during an interview ?

I think so.. They have been prepping us . I was already subject to the very intrusive 3 part interrogation (about 45 minutes each session ) from the American Community Survey .
American Community Survey Main - U.S. Census Bureau
There was no questions about my sex life ;but there were plenty other questions about lifestyle and possessions that the government has no business asking about. .

The streamlined version of the Obamacare application was 60 pages
To Sign Up For Obamacare, Start Filling Out The Forms Now (And Hire A Good Accountant) - Forbes

I assume that when they started getting negative press about it ,the Obots set to streamline it further . But I have no proof of that .

[cdad]

I think so .. They have been prepping us . I was already subject to the very intrusive 3 part interrogation (about 45 minutes each session ) from the American Community Survey .
American Community Survey Main - U.S. Census Bureau
There was no questions about my sex life ;but there were plenty other questions about lifestyle and possessions that the government has no business asking about. .

The streamlined version of the Obamacare application was 60 pages
To Sign Up For Obamacare, Start Filling Out The Forms Now (And Hire A Good Accountant) - Forbes

I assume that when they started getting negative press about it ,the Obots set to streamline it further . But I have no proof of that .

Wow. I don't know what to say to that as a 60 page form is insane. So much for it actually helping people. Also I noticed that it excludes child support. Not a good idea. What that translates to is that the person paying the child support won't be ble to afford healthcare. And for the most part the courts make sure dad pays.

[paraclete]

This is insane if it is really true. Also why can't these people refuse on the grounds of religion and since that is out of bounds there is no recourse. Maybe if they gave them thier guns back then they wouldnt be knocking on so many doors.

Or are we looking into the future with the coming of Obama care and what they may ask during an interview ?

Hi Dad

Unfortunately the ABS has been give powers to collect data and enforce the collection

[tomder55]

Doesn't surprise me that a super bureaucracy would seize whatever power they are allowed to get away with. Out of necessity ,the Leviathan must be structured with a complex web of unelected bureaucrats who are given broad powers to make law and enforce their own interpretation of the law . It gives political cover to the ruling class . They just continue to churn out thousand page comprehensive bills with no real detail . They just hand these new laws off to the bureaucrats who in turn churn out volumes of regulations that no one can makes heads or tails of. This leaves the bureaucrat effective dictatorial powers. You see it in the intrusiveness of the questions in the ABS survey and the American ACS .You see it in the powers endowed to the American IRS.

[Tuttyd]

doesn't suprise me that a super bureaucracy would seize whatever power they are allowed to get away with. Out of necessity ,the Leviathan must be structured with a complex web of unelected bureaucrats who are given broad powers to make law and enforce their own interpretation of the law . It gives political cover to the ruling class . They just continue to churn out thousand page comprehensive bills with no real detail . They just hand these new laws off to the bureaucrats who in turn churn out volumes of regulations that no one can makes heads or tails of. This leaves the bureaucrat effective dictatorial powers. You see it in the intrusiveness of the questions in the ABS survey and the American ACS .You see it in the powers endowed to the American IRS.

Your Leviathan is different to our Leviathan.

Just as a matter of interest. What happens to all of those top bureaucrats politically appointed when the party or president goes out of office?

I am assuming this is the case going on what has been posted here from time to time. Perhaps you can inform me.

[paraclete]

doesn't suprise me that a super bureaucracy would seize whatever power they are allowed to get away with. Out of necessity ,the Leviathan must be structured with a complex web of unelected bureaucrats who are given broad powers to make law and enforce their own interpretation of the law . It gives political cover to the ruling class . They just continue to churn out thousand page comprehensive bills with no real detail . They just hand these new laws off to the bureaucrats who in turn churn out volumes of regulations that no one can makes heads or tails of. This leaves the bureaucrat effective dictatorial powers. You see it in the intrusiveness of the questions in the ABS survey and the American ACS .You see it in the powers endowed to the American IRS.

This may be true of your system but we are people of fewer words and greater action. However the ABS like the ATO has coersive powers because the parliament doesn't want enforcement responsibility

[Tuttyd]

This may be true of your system but we are people of fewer words and greater action. However the ABS like the ATO has coersive powers becuase the parliament doesn't want enforcement responsibility

Interesting how our Leviathan is the product of the ruling classes, but Tom's Leviathan is a product of crony socialism.

Just when I thought Tom had jettisoned that buzzword. If anything it is more likely to be the other way round.

[tomder55]

This may be true of your system but we are people of fewer words and greater action. However the ABS like the ATO has coersive powers becuase the parliament doesn't want enforcement responsibility

In other words there is no difference.

What happens to all of those top bureaucrats politically appointed when the party or president goes out of office?

They stay in their positions working as a defacto unelected 4th branch . They undermine or support administrations that come and go depending on their own criteria. Their attitude is that if there is a reformer elected they can wait them out .

[paraclete]

in other words there is no difference.

they stay in their positions working as a defacto unelected 4th branch . They undermine or support administrations that come and go depending on their own criteria. Their attitude is that if there is a reformer elected they can wait them out .

Usually such people are not career public servants and they leave, right now there is a mad scramble among public servants for these jobs Gillard appointees will not be acceptable to Krudd. Gillard came from a union base whereas Krudd is no friend of the unions

[tomder55]

You mean you don't have careerists with lifetime job security and big fat pensions when they retire ?

[paraclete]

Of course but we were talking about political appointees. Our system isn't like yours where your top line public service is filled with political appointees also our public service doesn't have elected officials excepting maybe a mayor and they don't have the power yours does. We have a professional public service headed by a head of department. They are expected to be non partisan, some political appointees might be made during a term of office such as an advisor, but our ministry is drawn from elected politicians, so every one is accountable to the electorate