[tomder55]

Call me a skeptic.Naturally occurring methane seepage is a common occurrence.I bet there is more methane in areas around your local landfill than all that gets released from fracking.

[smoothy]

call me a skeptic.Naturally occuring methane seepage is a common occurance.I bet there is more methane in areas around your local landfill than all that gets released from fracking.

Or from your average Vegetarians house.. or restaurant. The side effects of beans and lentils.

[Wondergirl]

Or from your average Vegetarians house..or restaurant. The side effects of beans and lentils.

Hmmm, I grew up in dairyfarm country. I could be dead already from inhaling!

If only the frackers would restore the land once they finished...

[smoothy]

Hmmm, I grew up in dairyfarm country. I could be dead already from inhaling!

If only the frackers would restore the land once they finished....

YOU might be thinking strip mines... frackers don't make that much of a mess... and I've seen a LOT of gas wells being drilled... including one rather spectacular fire.

[tomder55]

Much better to have windmills where Golden and Bald Eagles get wacked .

[Wondergirl]

YOU might be thinking strip mines....frackers don't make that much of a mess.....and I've seen a LOT of gas wells being drilled....including one rather spectacular fire.

Do they disassemble all the rigging and towers and other equipment they used once they are finished, and then leave the land looking as pristine as when they arrived?

[smoothy]

Do they disassemble all the rigging and towers and other equipment they used once they are finished, and then leave the land looking as pristine as when they arrived?

Gas wells typically don't take up much more space than the average one car garage once they are in service. The pipes are buried. Those towers are only in place for drilling and moved on to the next drill site once the drilling if done.

There are dozens of them within sight of the road up where I'me from within just a few miles (Pennsylvania). And I know a few people that have wells on their property. Which they are paid monthly for.

[NeedKarma]

Do they disassemble all the rigging and towers and other equipment they used once they are finished, and then leave the land looking as pristine as when they arrived?

There is some equipment and site management:
https://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&s...m8&safe=active

[tomder55]

This is a Scientific American report of an MIT study on the issue:

So what is the truth?

Can drilling for natural gas contaminate drinking water? Yes.

Is hydraulic fracturing to blame? No.

Bottom line: water contamination does happen, but not because of hydraulic fracturing. The MIT Future of Natural Gas Study, released in June 2011, examines the causes of 43 reported environmental incidents and finds that, “no incidents of direct invasion of shallow water zones by fracture fluids during the fracturing process have been recorded.”

So what causes the contamination? According to the study, “almost 50% [of the incidents were] the result of drilling operations… most frequently related to inadequate cementing of casing into wellbores.”

Guest Post: Water Contamination – Fracking is not the problem | Plugged In, Scientific American Blog Network

[speechlesstx]

Back to the food wars thing, seems more and more communities are pushing back against the government standing between you from and good, fresh local food.

Brooksville becomes ninth Maine town to defy state on sales of local foods

BROOKSVILLE, Maine — Voters here made their town the fifth in Hancock County to pass a local food sovereignty ordinance that thumbs its nose at state and federal regulations for direct-to-consumer sales of prepared foods and farm products.

In a referendum election on March 4, residents voted 112-64 to approve the “Local Food and Community Self-Governance Ordinance,” which states that producers or processors of local foods are “exempt from licensure and inspection,” so long as the food is sold directly by the producer to a consumer.

The ordinance also makes it “unlawful for any law or regulation adopted by the state or federal government to interfere with the rights organized by this ordinance.”

The state contends that such ordinances hold no legal weight, but that hasn’t stopped residents of Sedgwick, Penobscot, Blue Hill and Trenton from passing the same local rules. Food sovereignty ordinances also have been passed in Hope, Plymouth, Livermore and Appleton.

In an interview, Kaylene Waindle, special assistant to the attorney general, said the state has a legitimate and legal interest in overseeing the safety of food being sold to consumers, and that state laws about food safety, inspection and licensing pre-empt local ordinances.

Much like individual states passing marijuana laws that fly in the face of the federal government’s stance on cannabis, the dispute over who controls local food regulation seems destined for court.

Before you even say it, I am a huge fan of food safety. I'm also a huge fan of roadside peaches, fresh tomatoes, peppers, zucchini, etc. Do we really need to have the government come between us and our neighbors to get some healthy, fresh food?

[talaniman]

Back in the day, my first stop before going to work was at a small grocer who made sandwiches and sold fresh fruit, and had hot coffee. Those were good days.

[speechlesstx]

Sounds nice.

[paraclete]

You living in the past Tal, now if maccas don't sell it it ain't breakfast