[paraclete]

Nonsense. You can't really believe that people hellbent on violence aren't going to accomplish their evil act if you take guns away, and if you do it will only drive the trade underground. If some violent dude tries to prey on my wife in a parking lot the government isn't going to be able to protect her, but she damn sure has a chance protect herself. It's not a gun issue Clete, it's a culture issue, it's a mental health issue, it's a heart issue. When someone says they aren't surprised this guy did it, that's your first clue that someone should have intervened.

Speech I agree it is a cultural issue and I have the opportunity to observe first hand a different culture so thus my comments. You speak of violence and predatory behaviour, really a cultural issue, yes a mental health issue but is the whole society mad??

First of all, mentioning you have a human trafficking problem to deal with IS showing concern. I could certainly dispute the notion that they aren't victims of the sex trade but again, this was to be a thread about the victims, not your self-righteous pontificating.

I happen to believe that those who prey on economic migrants and asylum seekers are just as much a human trafficking problem as those who recruit for the sex industry, they entice people and exploit them and many die as a result, children among them, You may have as many children die on one boat as died last week.There is no one to mourn them. We don't have the human trafficking problem you would suggest although I cannot deny that it might be caught up in the mêlée, but we are victims of it because it exists in surrounding nations, who do nothing about it and where corruption has fueled it, and billions that might otherwise go to aid must be spent in military operations, pursuit, arrest, housing, transportation, rescue, medical care, legal actions, to deal with the aftermath.

At the root of all these problems is corruption, some people want to put a different face on it, but it is corruption nevertheless, there are many evils in this world, and often they are associated with pleasure and what are described as harmless pursuits

[Alty]

Can this be all moved to the other thread? Lets keep this one only about the victims and us supporting them from afar. The other thread is the one to debate in PLEASE!

Thank you Mogrann.

Guys, this thread is about the victims, not about the guns used to kill them.

I started another thread so you all could discuss guns, and how you feel about them. Please, let this thread be a memorial, not a debate. I beg of you.