[paraclete]

Thing is Obama recognises that there is a problem and he has dared to say so. He might be part of the solution but that's a long way off

[J_9]

Yup.

As a general principle, I believe that the Constitution confers an individual right to bear arms. But just because you have an individual right does not mean that the state or local government can't constrain the exercise of that right."

Obama agrees to an individual's right to bear arms, in principle, but does not take it as an absolute right and considers it as a negotiable subject.

We can have reasonable, thoughtful gun control measure that I think respect the Second Amendment and people's traditions.”

Obama on Gun Control

Thanks to his first election I lost a million dollar gun business just a year into his first term.

[Wondergirl]

None of that says he is against gun ownership. That's paranoia. The state and local references have to do with licensing just like for operating a motor vehicle or getting married or fishing.

Why do Americans own assault rifles, for instance? Those are made to kill other humans, not made for hunting. That could be one type of weapon that needs further examination as to who owns it and why. Too often it has ended up being used illegally for mass murder.

President Obama had not made any moves against gun ownership when he was first in office, so why did you lose that business?

[paraclete]

How about a compromise, people without a criminal record get to own one hand gun and one long rifle and there be mandatory instruction on the use.

[tomder55]

I'm for reasonable backround checks. I'm opposed to limiting the right to certain classes of guns. The AR-15 (assault rifle ) is a very efficient hunting rifle and is used by hunters frequently.

[paraclete]

Don't know why you need such a heavy weapon, what are you hunting, bear?

[NeedKarma]

Obama on Gun Control

Thanks to his first election I lost a million dollar gun business just a year into his first term.

That link doesn't give much detail. What legislation did he pass when he first came into office that affected the retail firearms business?

[tomder55]

don't know why you need such a heavy weapon, what are you hunting, bear?

It's for hunters comfort... more precise ,less recoil etc. Maybe they are more precise and accurate... less chance of a wound shot . Maybe they are hunting bear .Why is it anyone's business ? They have the right to own them ,and there are no restrictions on using them for recreation hunting.

[NeedKarma]

Why is it anyone's business ?

Because with an assault rifle you can kill many, many more people is a much shorter period.

[tomder55]

Yup and you can kill even more with a truck full of fertilizer. But I don't see anyone calling to ban that.

[excon]

Hello again,

Because with an assault rifle you can kill many, many more people is a much shorter period.

Couple things.. Ok, THREE things...

Mechanically speaking, the assault rifle you can buy, is the same as a 30.6 hunting rifle. The ONLY difference is the way it LOOKS.

Obama is NOT going to pass ANY gun control. There's no HINT that he will, and he's never SAID that he will. There's only right wing paranoia.

Speaking of right wing paranoia, his election caused a run on guns. Frankly, THAT was the business to be in. Losing a gun business when there's a RUN on guns was probably due to management and NOT Obama's election.

Excon

PS> J_9, you're my friend. I don't mean to criticize you personally. I've lost at least 10 business's in my lifetime.

[NeedKarma]

Mechanically speaking, an assault rifle is the same as a 30.6 hunting rifle. The ONLY difference is the way it LOOKS.

I was assuming that using the term "assault rifle" meant a fully automatic weapon.

[excon]

Hello again, NK:

That's why I made the distinction.. Fully automatic weapons are NOT available to the general public. MOST people, however, believe as you do, that assault rifles ARE fully automatic and MUST be banned. Of course, if they WERE, they SHOULD be banned - but they're not.

If you want to ban SOMETHING, ban clips or magazines that hold many multiple rounds. THOSE aren't necessary for hunting.

excon

[NeedKarma]

If you want to ban SOMETHING, ban clips or magazines that hold many multiple rounds. THOSE aren't necessary for hunting.

yep, I was wrong there, it's a magazine-fed semi-auto.

It's isn't banned in Canada per se "the AR-15 was granted a sporting exception."

[J_9]

I come from a long line of gun collectors. We are all law abiding citizens. It is my right as a citizen of the US to be able to own any firearm I choose to own.

We have pistols, revolvers, shotguns, and rifles (single shot, semi auto, and full auto) . Yes I am a FFL holder.

We have firearms that date back to the civil war, WWI and WWII up to the most current. They are all working firearms as my husband is a master gunsmith. What am I going to shoot with them? Most of them nothing. Others targets.

We aren't terrorists, just collectors. Yes, I have had to protect myself and my loved ones from grizzly bears in the wilds of Alaska. It takes a very powerful gun to drop a grizzly and a semi-auto is easier than having to load after every shot when you've got a griz charging at you.

As for paranoia... there was a huge fear during the last election and our business boomed. A gun store not only sells firearms, but most of the income comes from selling ammo. Within a year of his election, most ammo was severely limited or completely unavailable. With the lack of income to the store due to lack of ammunition and certain firearms, overhead became a problem. My in-laws who were once multi-millionaires are now living off social security and Medicaid. Now with the advent of Nobamacare they will not even to be able to afford taking care of their health during their golden years. But that's a different thread.

[J_9]

Steve, there was a tremendous run on guns and life was great. The problem came with the limited ammo available after the election.

Nope, not poor management. My FIL is a great business man. That's how he became a multi-millionaire in the first place.

[NeedKarma]

So many issues here.

Within a year of his election, most ammo was severely limited or completely unavailable.

Which legislation did that?

My in-laws who were once multi-millionaires are now living off social security and Medicaid.

What? Multimillionaires not doing 401Ks (I think that's what you call your self-directed retirement plans there) or savings? Selling off large assets didn't give them enough funds? How does one go from multimillionaire to being on social security in 3 years?? Something is wrong with that story. Was there an overwhelming amount of debt?

[excon]

Hello again, NK:

The lack of ammo was a market phenomenon. Apparently, J's store got whipsawed by the market.. If you can't get what your customers want, you're toast.

Look.. I've gone from millionaire to pauper several times in my life. When you're a "job creator" it happens.

excon

[NeedKarma]

Then she should put the blame squarely on people like tom and Steve who willingly whip up the hysteria without any actual facts.

[tomder55]

I have no responsibility in 'whipping up hysteria' .