[paraclete]

Then why don't you tell kids you don't know? At least thats the truth. Maybe they will follow their own journey to facts and evidence, without our prejudices.

Tal you can't tell them you don't know, they become confused, so what you should tell them is that some people think this and some people think that. However just as in the climate change debate some people think because they have an opinion that is the truth we have the same problem with darwinism and religion. What I have observed is that people don't know what they don't know, just a students doing a course have no idea of the breadth of knowledge the discipline encompasses, so the kids have no idea of what is possible unless we tell them at least what already exists

[talaniman]

Tell kids the truth, and let them question. They won't be the only ones confused, since you are too! Maybe you both can learn something.

[paraclete]

So Tal you think I am confused. What is it you think I am confused about? Sometimes things seen at a distance are clearer than those things that are right in your face

[talaniman]

I should have quoted Speech,to avoid confusion, as I was referencing his reply to my opinion that you should tell the kids the truth, and if you don't know the answer to their question say so.

Or at least be honest when giving what you BELIEVE, as opposed to what you know. That's usually done by stating I don't know for sure, but I believe... etc,etc.

[paraclete]

Or at least be honest when giving what you BELIEVE, as opposed to what you know. Thats usually done by stating I don't know for sure, but I believe..................etc,etc.

Yep

[speechlesstx]

I should have quoted Speech,to avoid confusion, as I was referencing his reply to my opinion that you should tell the kids the truth, and if you don't know the answer to their question say so.

Referencing me on that that would be pretty good trick since I haven't responded to that post yet.

[talaniman]

As I said, next time I will use quotes. But this was what I was responding to,

Progressive indoctrination as opposed to critical thinking makes children stupider and stupider as your stats from this OP demonstrate perfectly.

With this,

Then why don't you tell kids you don't know? At least that's the truth. Maybe they will follow their own journey to facts and evidence, without our prejudices.

Just saying your indoctrination is no different than mine, and we like our own ways to indoctrinate our kids our own way. Its just I admit I don't know where man came from, or how life started, and there are many opinions to that end, but no evidence, just speculations.

The possibility we all are wrong is very possible. It didn't make MY kids any stupider for it. I do have evidence of THAT!

[speechlesstx]

As I was saying Tal, you referenced me replying to something I never replied to.

[talaniman]

Have a cup of coffee and realize I was the one replying to YOU!!

[speechlesstx]

Now you're getting even more confused. No matter, just look at the FB standings and everything will be clear.

[paraclete]

There is nothing like a circular argument in this case i didn't say that, i know you didn't say that, i did

[speechlesstx]

The only one going in circles is Tal.

[klarsenartwork]

Hello:

America is 7th in literacy, 27th in math, 22nd in science, 49th in life expectancy, 178th in infant mortality, 3rd in median household income, and number 4 in exports.

We are exceptional at only 3 things: the rate of incarceration per capita, the amount of people who believe in angels, and defense spending, where we outspend the next 26 biggest countries combined.

We used to lead the world in those things.. The only way we can do it again is to STOP pretending we still do.

excon

PS> (edited) Ok, I made up the one about the angels...

GREED not GOD!

Real Estate was the only enterprise keeping our country fueled, and now that it is gone, Americans are still trying to make a living off other Americans.

Everyone I know is broke or going broke. School loans are being defaulted on at an unbelievable 83%. Students are forced to pay off federal loans...

So don't go to college without a fully paid scholarship. These young students graduate then end up working for minimum wage, can't buy a car, don't have any independence and end up back at their parents, if they can go back home.

When the roots of a tree die, eventually all the leaves will die too.

That is when America will rebuild.

[excon]

When the roots of a tree die, eventually all the leaves will die too.

Hello k:

**greenie**

excon

[paraclete]

Prosperity to bankruptcy all it took was a few greedy men in an unregulated environment. How can this be a good system

[talaniman]

In any system, there will be those that can exploit it. Greedy Lazy B@stards!

[paraclete]

Doesn't make it right Tal, doesn't mean they should be given opportunity. The number of greedy B@stards is multiplying as the number of millionaires, etc, grows, you just have to look at CEO renumeration for confirmation. What is not good is that this is seen as the norm

[tomder55]

in an unregulated environment.

??
You have got to be kiddin!!

The housing bubble klarsenartwork referred to was totally a product of government design .

[paraclete]

Government design in fostering a market, but the government didn't design the securatisation of the mortgage debt, virtual junk bond status, and market it internationally as a AAA investment, that was done by greedy individuals with no regard to the consequences and it was possible because loose regulation allowed it to happen

[tomder55]

but the government didn't design the securatisation of the mortgage debt, virtual junk bond status, and market

Again wrong. The 1st entities to deal with creative finacing was the GSE Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac . Government regulators forced private lending institutions to play the game.