[excon]

Hello:

It wasn't long ago that I was looking at a resounding defeat for Obama and the Democrats. It looks like the right wingers agreed with me, too, and thought even dufuses could beat him... Plus, that was BEFORE it became known what Republicans actually DO when they take over, as in the states where they have BIG majorities.

So, I think Obama WILL survive, the Dems will recapture the House, and those radical right wing states will be brought back to the center.

No?

excon

[NeedKarma]

They are certainly shooting themselves in the foot with their in-fighting and "interesting" quotes from the campaigns.

[tomder55]

Too early to predict . Neither side has done anything to help their cause.

There is tremendous advantages in the power of incumbency . But in my opinion the President is still very weak.

I am not that concerned about the Republic circular firing squad unless Newt or Paul is the nominee. Romney running the gauntlet is making him a stronger candidate .

Not only will the Dems not retake the House ;but they will lose the Senate .

As a side note /// Peyton Manning to the Seahawks?? Sounds like a perfect match .

[speechlesstx]

Manning would have a nice corps of receivers with the Cowboys. Yeah, I'm about ready to dump Romo.

[excon]

Hello tom:

The firing squad will continue.. Either Newt OR Paul will run as a third party candidate, and keep on firing... Newt and Romney really DO hate each other.

excon

PS> Just what we need - a quarterback who can't feel his fingers.. We already got one of them.. Although Jackson tore it up the last few games.

[tomder55]

You know that isn't going to happen ;even though it should be obvious that with the skill players they have ;the Cowboys should rock the league .

[speechlesstx]

P.S. Obama is doing his best job of alienating Catholics and other people of faith by compelling religious health care entities to provide insurance coverage for sterilization, contraceptives and abortifacients against their beliefs. Damn shame this president has no respect for the constitution and our religious rights.

[excon]

Damn shame this president has no respect for the constitution and our religious rights.

Hello again, Steve:

What about the rights of the employees? If the Catholic church doesn't want to behave like an ordinary American employer (which they ARE), they can certainly give up their tax exemption.

excon

[tomder55]

And so they should because it is outrageous that Obama would place such conditions .

[excon]

it is outrageous that Obama would place such conditions .

Hello again, tom:

Outrageous?? Can the church REFUSE to hire a black person?? A woman? What's outrageous is that the Catholic church thinks it can pick which employment law it should obey.

excon

[tomder55]

Are they refusing to hire women and Blacks ? No .They are objecting to being forced to provide in their medical coverage things ,devices ,procedures they consider morally objectionable .

Very easy solution . Give them a waiver like Obama gives to all his cronies .

[NeedKarma]

They are objecting to being forced to provide in their medical coverage things ,devices ,procedures they consider morally objectionable .

If there was a demand for such particular style of service shouldn't the free market come up with an HMO to cater to that market?

[tomder55]

Yes... and the Catholics in a free market would have the choice if the insurance they provide has that option.

The problem with this government control is that they are forcing people into coverage they don't want .

[NeedKarma]

So such an HMO already exists? What company is that?

[speechlesstx]

Hello again, Steve:

What about the rights of the employees? If the Catholic church doesn't want to behave like an ordinary American employer (which they ARE), they can certainly give up their tax exemption.

Dude, they don't have to work there. They know going in it is a non-profit religious organization. You do know that historically, hospitals were typically founded and funded by religious groups. You'd apparently rather have the unfeeling, unsympathetic corporate types running the health care industry than allow the church to continue exercising its first amendment rights and do what it has done for ages in caring for the health of people, often the poorest among us.

[tomder55]

So such an HMO already exists? What company is that?

Clearly this is so because the Catholic Church was able to get acceptable coverage for their employees before Obamacare.

[NeedKarma]

So an HMO exists that they were using that met their moral requirements and they are being forced to switch from that? Or is the HMO being forced to offer "new" services?
Do you have a link that describes this forcing of the issue?

[tomder55]

Obama Administration Approves Rule That Guarantees Near-Universal Contraceptive Coverage | ThinkProgress

[NeedKarma]

Obama Administration Approves Rule That Guarantees Near-Universal Contraceptive Coverage | ThinkProgress

"houses of worship and other religious nonprofits that primarily employ and serve people of the same faith will be exempt"

Any Catholic in a job with another employer doesn't have to use those services. In the same way that I don't use a whole bunch of services available to me in my health plan.

[speechlesstx]

"that primarily employ and serve people of the same faith."

How many hospitals do you know that serve only patients of the same religion?