[talaniman]

Its viable as a supplement when used in conjunction with other technologies, and the ineffecientcies come with transmission and grid issues.

[paraclete]

Tal the inefficiencies come with the small amount of electricity generated relative to cost. The cost of generation from solar is many times that of other technologies and although this has fallen in recent years we are still a long way from parity. There is an incorrect perception that solar energy is free energy a sort of set and forget solution. I have been around these agruments of various renewable technologies for many years, having been a senior executive in an electricity utility, and solar is niche at best

For a long time I have been a advocate of distributed generation however solar is not yet viable for this application

[talaniman]

What's ruining us financially is the corporate choke hold over the economic system. Corporations and banks do not provide for enough circulation for enough economic activity to occur. The effect is NO JOBS. Lets just take the 20% of our economy that's still lacks recovery, HOUSING. Its not the people who without jobs and can't make the payments that are stopping the housing recovery, but the banks that force foreclosures because its profit over people.

A structured pragmatic approach would slow down and reduce the rate, and the number of foreclosures, and also allow for more to take advantage of the lowest interests rates in history, and even open up a market for the toxic mortgage assets held by the government, taken through the regulatory disaster that the banks caused through questionable financial bundling practices. ( I won't get into the unwillingness of the Europeans to address their Greek problems) I offer the evidence that can be traced back decades of those who have been in their homes for decades yet are losing all the investment and time that their mortgages have provided.

That's my example of extraction. Profits over people and a broken business model. You are probably not aware that the states have been going back and making banks repay the profits they extracted through those practices, many that were illegal, and criminal to begin with. While many will listen to the cries for regulation that businesses site as government over reach, I highly suggest you read them for yourselves, or better yet, explore the safety plans and practices of those companies that cry about regulations that stop them from making even more money than they have been.

[talaniman]

Tal the inefficiencies come with the small amount of electricity generated relative to cost. The cost of generation from solar is many times that of other technologies and although this has fallen in recent years we are still a long way from parity. There is an incorrect perception that solar energy is free energy a sort of set and forget solution. I have been around these agruments of various renewable technologies for many years, having been a senior executive in an electricity utility, and solar is niche at best

For a long time I have been a advocate of distributed generation however solar is not yet viable for this application

I think you have made the argument for me that the Germans made a serious error in there judgement, applications, and expectations.

[tomder55]

Lets just take the 20% of our economy that's still lacks recovery, HOUSING. Its not the people who without jobs and can't make the payments that are stopping the housing recovery, but the banks that force foreclosures because its profit over people.

Lol more "free " stuff . This time housing . Until they get around to foreclosures and getting rid of these toxic assets ,the housing market will never see true recovery. Extending the pain will not remove it .

[paraclete]

I think you have made the argument for me that the Germans made a serious error in there judgement, applications, and expectations.

Indeed, ""any come and get it"" subsidy scheme suffers the same flaws and not only the Germans we had two similar subsidised schemes here as part of GFC response that fell flat

[paraclete]

lol more "free " stuff . This time housing . Until they get around to foreclosures and getting rid of these toxic assets ,the housing market will never see true recovery. Extending the pain will not remove it .

Tom I can only comment that foreclosures provide very little work for the general community, if you want recovery in housing then some very stringent measures are needed. Firstly; bulldoze all non viable housing such as buildings that have been vacant a long time. Secondly; acquire all toxic assets and renegotiate terms which will keep the asset from being abandoned, and thirdly; make the banks swallow the losses without foreclosure and let's throw in an unpopular fourth. Let's bring all existing housing up to current code, that should generate some work as well as some debate.

[tomder55]

It isn't intended to provide work . The problem in the US is that housing has been treated as some social engineering project instead of the market it is.

I don't oppose bulldozing ;the city of Detroit is seriously considering that so they can reduce the areas where public service is required .The city ,through socialist mismanagement has lost about a quarter of it's population. The fact is that in the bubble there was more units built than needed .

If a bank and a property owner can come to an agreement on renegotiated terms then do it . What are you suggesting ? Having new terms imposed ?

Finally ,if a home is not in code it should not have occupancy . But I can just imaging the code the Obots would congure up... solar panel shingles and windmills on every roof .(just to keep my comments in the theme of the posting )

[paraclete]

Yes new codes are interesting and require an investment but not without return but you and I both know buildings have been built in different eras and many are not up to code and yes bulldozing is an answer when industry has gone and the housing is no longer needed and industrial buildings as well

Lovelly parkland will emerge where deer and vermin can roam free, some urban renewal make take place with gardens where the destitute of an earlier utopia might make a living with subsistence farming

[talaniman]

lol more "free " stuff . This time housing . Until they get around to foreclosures and getting rid of these toxic assets ,the housing market will never see true recovery. Extending the pain will not remove it .

Not free but modified to reflect that a criminal and his ill gotten gains will be dealt with. See it as a reboot, system recovery strategy where all the facts and scope of the problem can be assessed in a pragmatic way, so as to correct and mitigate the damage. Unlike with the way republican governors are putting settlement money under there control and not to the ones it was supposed to go to.

[tomder55]

The government's ability to sue is legalized extortion. In the case of housing the government first created the terms that the banks had to operate under and then threaten them with criminal and civil action for operating the way the government told them to.

[paraclete]

Bit of a stretch there Tom, no one told the banks to create asset backed securities and flog them around the world to unsuspecting investors, no one told the banks to falsify their accounts with dubious deals to take the sub prime debt off their books and certainly no one told the banks to pay above market salaries, etc to the people who perpetrated this fraud

So Tom there is a vast difference between being an instrument of government social engineering and being an opportunist criminal

[tomder55]

If what they did was criminal there would be criminal prosecutions . There aren't ,and I haven't heard of any pending.. only this extortion racket .

[paraclete]

Yes Tom we know prosecution is slow, no doubt evidence is hard to find