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kattEallen · Nov 3, 2011, 01:44 PM

According to the Deuteronomistic Historians, [DH], all the national calamities that befell the children of Israel in the land of Canaan were because the kings that followed King David, most notoriously Manasseh, had violated the Mosaic Covenant and Yahweh had abandoned his '"special people" to more powerful pagan Near Eastern neighbors, most notably Assyria and Babylon.

Curlyben · Nov 3, 2011, 01:47 PM

Do you have a question ?

Fr_Chuck · Nov 3, 2011, 02:04 PM

While I may disagree personally, do you have a question about this, and if so, can you cite your source on the facts.

hauntinghelper · Nov 4, 2011, 05:27 PM

While this might not be the direction the OP wanted to take, may I inquire about your statement Fr_Chuck?

Fr_Chuck · Nov 4, 2011, 06:51 PM

I often disagree with many bibical scholars. But often a good discussion is started with someone disagreeing with the principal statement. Always good to challenge someone in their statements if they are making it as a matter of fact.

Wondergirl · Nov 4, 2011, 07:10 PM

Did Yahweh have an ulterior purpose in mind if he did indeed abandon his chosen people?

hauntinghelper · Nov 4, 2011, 08:10 PM

Fr_Chuck, what exactly do you disagree with about that?

Fr_Chuck · Nov 5, 2011, 05:56 AM

One has to then state that all natural events are for a purpose of God, the statement did not say, that they suffered because of specific events that God caused.

I believe God does cause some things to happen for a reason, but also that he has set up and allows the earth to operate according to natural rules of science. Jesus could walk on water, as was Peter allowed to. You and I can not do it every day.
Weather, when certain cold and hot fronts meet in certain ways there are storms or hurricanes, they can be predicted and somewhat tracked. So every natural event is not always Gods punishment

hauntinghelper · Nov 11, 2011, 07:01 PM

But obviously we can see both in the scriptures, right? Sure there are natural disasters that God simply allows to take their course... but there were many times that God executed judgement on rebellious Israel THROUGH other kingdoms. To think that sinful societies are outside of God's control and use is off to say the least. Or did you make that statement in response to how the OP worded their "question"?