[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

50 years ago a movement got underway that changed the world.. In the beginning, people called them names too. They said they were dirty.. They said they were socialists/anarchists/rapists, too..

But, change the world, they did. This one will too. Hang on for the ride of your life.

excon

[smoothy]

There was one in 1917 too... its clear that one turned out splendedly.

[tomder55]

In honor of your nostalgia /bad trip flash back...

Tin soldiers and Nixon coming,
We're finally on our own.
This summer I hear the drumming,
Four dead in Ohio.

Gotta get down to it
Soldiers are cutting us down
Should have been done long ago.
What if you knew her
And found her dead on the ground
How can you run when you know?

How long did it take before Woodstock turned into ugly Altamont Free Concert ?

Edit... just remembered a better anthem...

You say you got a real solution
Well, you know
We'd all love to see the plan
You ask me for a contribution
Well, you know
We're doing what we can

[talaniman]

LOL, so you think the big guys gobble up the little guys because of regulations? That's an interesting assertion since they have been doing it for decades, and the GOP presidential hopefuls have specifically pointed to this present administrations regulations as a job killer. But back to the occupiers and your assertion they should occupy Washington, and not New York,

'Occupy DC' Allowed To Keep Occupying Washington Park | Fox News

Where have you been? Its all over America, not just in NY.

[speechlesstx]

But, change the world, they did. This one will too. Hang on for the ride of your life.

So you're OK with burning down the city?

[excon]

So you're ok with burning down the city?

Hello again, Steve:

Just like you're for throwing your trash into the air.

excon

[tomder55]

LOL, so you think the big guys gobble up the little guys because of regulations?

I know so . When it gets cost prohibitive to run a business the owners make the best deal they can make selling their business to the bigger company... or they just bailout.

[excon]

I know so . When it gets cost prohibitive to run a business the owners make the best deal they can make selling their business to the bigger company...or they just bailout.

Hello tom:

Maybe that's how the BIG guys do it, but I don't have a golden parachute, and I need to keep my company going... You're right about regulations, though.. I HATE 'em, and they cost me x dollars to comply. But, they've ALWAYS been there, and always will. I don't see a cascade of 'em coming my way like you're talking about. In the final analysis, whatever they are, they're simply a cost of doing business, like rent.

Besides, if I gave up every time some bureaucrat gave me sh!t, I'd have been toast long ago... Fortunately, demand is up for my business.. That's the only barometer I go by. It's the only barometer ANY businessman my size goes by.

excon

[tomder55]

In the final analysis, whatever they are, they're simply a cost of doing business, like rent.

Sometimes they just get prohibitive .
If I wanted to do a start up like Jobs in a small facility in my business I could've done so 25 years ago. Now... impossible . I'd have to secure all types of up front cash just to do the lab work... capital that newbees just don't have . I'd also have to upfront hire well salaried people to staff my regulatory office with so many new regs that have come down in just the last decade .

[tomder55]

Lord of the Flies is just Hobbes revisited. So you support the nonsense expounded by Bill Whittle in the link?

Look ;there was already a respiratory infection going around the NYC encampment .

Perhaps Mayor Bloomy should've let these fools endure a nor-easter in January... let's see if they have the fortitude and will power of the patriots at the Valley Forge encampment; or if Whittle is correct .

[speechlesstx]

And I'm sure like everyone else you pass those "costs of doing business" on to the customer. And our good friend in the White House thinks that's OK even though it won't hurt the "1 percent," it will hurt me.

Remember when he said "Under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket"? He knows - and quite often it is the intent - that regulations make things much more expensive.

[excon]

He knows - and quite often it is the intent - that regulations make things much more expensive.

Hello again, Steve:

Oh, it's true... They make some things more expensive, like polluting... doncha think that should be more expensive?? You breath too. Then there's the ones that make things LESS expensive, like milk, and gasoline. I don't hear you sniveling about those.

excon

[speechlesstx]

Subsidies are another subject. But am I right, you pass those costs along to the customer?

[tomder55]

Then there's the ones that make things LESS expensive, like milk, and gasoline. I don't hear you sniveling about those.

You mean subsidies or price supports ? I'm clear in my opposition to those too.

[excon]

Subsidies are another subject. But am I right, you pass those costs along to the customer?

Hello again, Steve:

When the price of paper goes up, I pass it on to my customer.. When the price of ink goes up, I pass it on to my customer. When ANY of my costs go up, I pass it on to my customer... Prices have been going up since the beginning. What's your point? Are you now a consumer advocate?

excon

[speechlesstx]

What's your point?

You're a smart guy, you know the point. You said regulations are "simply a cost of doing business, like rent." If you pass those costs on to me they become my expenses, not yours.

And those subsidies price supports or whatever, let's start with ending them for ethanol.

[Wondergirl]

And no more regulations on milk?

[excon]

If you pass those costs on to me they become my expenses, not yours.

Hello again, Steve:

Isn't it a right wing argument that CORPORATE taxes are not born by corporations?? It's TRUE.. ALL business's pass the cost of doing business on to their customers.. Or, at least, they try to. Some can't, and fail.

Now, you COULD blame the cost of regulations, or you COULD blame the cost of office supplies. They ALL go up... They always have.

But, you're not the spender of last resort... You, too, like any entity in the economy, pass those costs on. You DO renegotiate your salary now and then, don't you?

excon

[tomder55]

Milk needs regulations . What it doesn't need is price supports. Every product containing milk in this country is over priced due to Federal meddling in the market.

[talaniman]

Subsidies are another subject. But am I right, you pass those costs along to the customer?

They also pass loss revenues on to us also. For example when the price of gas raises food costs or ticket prices. Or the lack of demand makes them produce less, but charge more for what they do produce.

Cap and trade was designed way back in the day to allow high polluters with the ability to but credits against cost from lower polluters. Thus providing a revenue stream for low polluters, and savings in costs for high polluters as the develop ways to get those cost down themselves, through technology development, or upgrades in older equipment for which they get credits for.

What Does "Cap and Trade" Mean?

Emissions trading - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And this is a very interesting thing to know about the current conflicts under this administration.

Obama's Cap-and-Trade Plan - BusinessWeek

As we see the coal producing power plants don't want to enrich the other low emissions producers. Just notice who is for it, and whose not, and the reasons for their positions. Just as a side note Steve, check out the new plants being built in Texas to eliminate the older ones.

Fuel Fix Texas power plant gets first greenhouse gas permit from EPA

The EPA seized the state’s authority to regulate the largest industrial sources of carbon dioxide and other heat-trapping gases last year. Texas is the only state that has refused to implement new nationwide rules and has filed suit to block them.

Texas Electric Power Plants and the New EPA Emission Limit - Power to Choose - Zimbio

The EPA however, made clear that power plants still have up to March of 2013 to comply with the requirements without incurring any serious penalties. The agency believes that this provides enough time for these power plants to prepare and gradually reduce emission levels. Still, politicians and power plant operators still express doubts on whether full compliance to this new regulation can be achieved.

It should be noted that the Texas heat makes pollution emissions dangerous to humans and animals as it activates these emissions in the air. We had that air quality talk before, of which its decidedly different in Amarillo, and is a big deal in Dallas/Fort Worth.