[abest23]

DO they make smaller flanges? I pulled my toilet to put tile down and now can not get a flange on it. I am very frustrated and about ready to call a plumber.

[ballengerb1]

First off I think you are using the wrong type flange. The one in the pic appears to be a PVC made to be welded to PVC pipe. I'd go with an Oatey flange made for cast iron. 165 Cast Iron Flange :: Oatey.com You need to scrap that old drain clean

[abest23]

ballengerb1- I probably do have the wrong flange. Im a rookie big time. Would I be able to find one of these at Lowe's? And the drain is 3 inches wide. Will I need a 3 inch flange or a smaller one so it will fit correctly? Thank you so much

[ma0641]

It looks like a tricky install. Was the toilet flushing with that much buildup? How was the old flange attached. Most repair flanges, like the one Ballenger noted are designed to fit over the pipe. If you put something inside the 3" pipe, it will restrict the hole even more. This almost looks like a floor drain instead of a toilet setup.

[abest23]

Yeah it was flushing just fine. It might be a floor drain. There is a rubber seal in between the drain pipes as well. You can see in one of the pictures my puddy knife is in between the pipes where the rubber seal is. So if this is a floor drain am I in trouble? WIll it be an expensive fix?

[puffmugs]

I doubt if this was/is a floor drain. If it was you would see a trap with a water seal. Even if the trap dryed up, you could stick your hand in, down the opening and feel the trap. I would go with ballengerb's post. Make sure you secure the flange to the floor.

[Milo Dolezal]

Try 3" Fit-In Closet Flange. Home Depot has very good selection of flanges, lot better than Lowe's. Once you have the flange than you install it onto the pipe and you have to drill holes into concrete to insert anchors and screws to attach flange to the floor. Back to you. Milo

[ma0641]

Now that you show the rubber seal, it makes more sense. If you take the old rubber seal off, you can get a replacement flange to slip over the floor pipe. When you pulled the old flange, it left the rubber seal. Get the one than Ballenger noted and it will slip over the stub left when you take the old seal off. How was the old flange affixed to the floor? Thanks for the good photos to help figure it out.

[massplumber2008]

I don't think that will work here, Brian (Ma0641)... ;)

In this case, once he removes the neoprene donut he will be left with the HUB of a cast iron fitting... won't he? I think? I know, hard to say for sure. Maybe the outer ring comes off and then that flange Bob posted would be great IF the elbow is a NOHUB elbow... hmmmm??

I'd like to see another picture of this with the rubber sleeve removed. Then I would like the yard stick laid over the INSIDE of the fitting by placing the 1" mark at the extreme left and then taking the picture so we can read the yard stick across the fitting.

Frankly, I'm unsure about the rubber sleeve... can't see a separation on the inside of the pipe... may not be a rubber donut at all... hmmm..?

I would also ask Abest to pour a 1/2 gallon of water into the drain... be absolutely sure this isn't a floor drain (I doubt it, too, but want to eliminate 100%), OK?

Back to you all...

Mark

[ma0641]

Hey Mark, now that I blew up the picture, it actually looks more like an Oring or else, the sleeve of the flange possibly separated. There is no way anything can fit over the pipe. If you look to the right of the putty knife, you can see 2 screw holes, similar to a floor drain cover. VERRRY Interesting.
Show us the old flange please, thanks, Brian

[ma0641]

If you look at the picture with the blue yardstick, it almost looks like someone maybe epoxied a flange to the floor and set the toilet on it. The rubber seal in the picture is depressed below the floor and does not look like a toilet stubout or a hub. Also note that there is rust deposit on the hub and it doesnnt look like anything was connected to it.

[massplumber2008]

Yeah... real odd one here, for sure.

I'm thinking Abest may be best to crack the old cast iron ring off and then install an extra deep cast iron flange (leaded in) over the cast iron elbow, but that would probably be best left to an experienced plumber. *shrugs*.

Mark