[excon]

Hello:

Recent polls suggest that more than HALF of the Republican party believe that Obama is not eligible to be president because he wasn't born in the US.

If there are any of you here, do you want to come out? We can then have a NICE conversation about it...

excon

[cdad]

What I would like to see is a release on his records like presidents before him have had to do. Rather then millions spent on him trying to hide it. Until then Im on the fence about it. There seems to be too much conflicting information out there. So why not clear the air and get it over with so we can bury it ?

[speechlesstx]

The polls are all over the place, but I am on the record as a non-birther and that hasn't changed.

[Fr_Chuck]

Citizenship is not where you are born if born to American parent.
But yes, the big deal on not releasing it, does not help but make one wonder

[excon]

Hello dad:

So, I'll put you in the wondering group... How is it, that you IGNORE the birth certificate on file in Hawaii?

By the way, the $2 million figure is the total amount spent on legal fees for his campaign... Some winger said that it was to defend himself against this, and some other wingers believed it.

However, if legal challenges have been made, they're certainly PUBLIC, and you certainly could refer us to them, couldn't you?

And, I suspect, since I don't believe it's really ABOUT his birth certificate, IF he "cleared the air" with some other document, I'll bet ALL THE GOLD I OWN, that the birthers wouldn't believe THAT document any more than they believe the one he already released.

So, this is one of those "when are you going to stop beating your wife" questions, that no matter HOW he answers it, were he to do so, would be all the PROOF the birthers need that he beats his wife.

Besides, the underlying conspiracy that foments stuff like this, is SOOOO bizarre, that is stretches credulity. To suggest that he is a Manchurian President is laughable.

In the final analysis, he DID release his birth certificate. You just don't believe it. The government in Hawaii says it's real. You don't think they're involved in the conspiracy, do you?

excon

[tomder55]

I'm on record since 2008 as saying the birther issue is bogus.
https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/politi...te-275470.html
It is a huge mistake for the Republicans to fall into the trap of attempting to make it an issue .

Further, I'm waiting for a Republican candidate to take out the phony Donald Trump... the sooner the better . He's a lefty who's real estate deals usually means someone's property is sacrified to the public good so a casino can be built. It did not surprise me that in the last election cycle his biggest donation was to Rhambo Emanuel.

[cdad]

However, if legal challenges have been made, they're certainly PUBLIC, and you certainly could refer us to them, couldn't you?

snopes.com: Barack Obama Birth Certificate

Obama Birth Certificate Challenge Turned Down By Supreme Court

[cdad]

And it continues on and on...

Obama: Where have all his records gone?

[excon]

Cashill wrote, Khalid al-Mansour, principle adviser to Saudi Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal, lobbied friends like Manhattan Borough President Percy Sutton to intervene at Harvard on Obama's behalf. Al-Mansour reportedly mentored founders of the Black Panther party in the early 1960s.

Hello again, dad:

Your WorldNetDaily article is full of silliness like the one above. This is NOT journalism. It's gossip.

Excon

[tomder55]

I didn't know this would morph to his school records. That has much more merit than the birther issue.

[tomder55]

It could be that the birther question is a surrogate question for the one on many people's minds regardless of their political leanings... "who is this guy" ? As dad says .it goes beyond birth certificate into a number of things that are considered reasonable disclosure.
Is he the President he told the left he'd be. Protesters in a San Francisco fund raiser beg to differ.
Is he what the right expected ? Yeah and worse .

[excon]

It could be that the birther question is a surrogate question for the one on many people's minds regardless of their political leanings ......."who is this guy" ?

Hello again, tom:

I think you're right. He's not one of us. He's different. He doesn't understand American exceptionalism. His middle name is Hussein, for crying out loud. Did I mention that he's black? Did you see the way he bows to foreign leaders, and then apologizes for the US? Nope. He's unAmerican, all right. Of course, he's a plant. I think he's a Muslim.

But, if he is, I can't figure out why he started a THIRD war against a Muslim country.. Or, why he ramped up the Afghanistan war. That's a war against MUSLIMS. Or why he attacks Muslims with drones in Pakistan. I don't know why he didn't prosecute Bush for torturing Muslims. He thinks holding MUSLIMS at gitmo FOREVER with no trial is a good idea.. I can't figure out that stuff..

If he's not a Muslim, maybe he's a commie.

excon

[tomder55]

In the 1st paragraph all I'd concure with is the part about not appreciating American exceptionalism. The part about apologizing for America is an off shoot of that .

I think what is considered the standard birth certificate has been released .

But how do you explain the resistance to the release of his Occidental College records, Columbia University records, Columbia thesis, Harvard Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, passport, medical records, files from his years as an Illinois state senator, Illinois State Bar Association records... did I miss any ?

[excon]

It could be that the birther question is a surrogate question for the one on many people's minds regardless of their political leanings ......."who is this guy" ?

Hello again, tom:

In my view, the question is, why is it being asked of THIS president? I wouldn't bring it up if I'd have heard the question being asked of any WHITE president. Strangely, I haven't.

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[excon]

But how do you explain the resistance to the release of his Occidental College records,

Hello again, tom:

At this point in time, I only have the very right wing, and the very birther WorldNetDaily saying that it happened. Call me skeptical.

excon

[tomder55]

Hello again, tom:

In my view, the question is, why is it being asked of THIS president? I wouldn't bring it up if I'd have heard the question being asked of any WHITE president. Strangely, I haven't.

excon

But in fact Bush's college records were released . So were John Kerry's . McCain took some heat for not releasing his Naval Academy records while admitting he graduated 5th from the bottom of his class.

Hello again, tom:

At this point in time, I only have the very right wing, and the very birther WorldNetDaily saying that it happened. Call me skeptical.

excon

Would you believe the college then ? They say they cannot release his records to the public . This is true .But he can request and release them . He hasn't.
Occidental College :: Obama FAQs

Like I said... it wouldn't be an issue if people knew who the real Obama is . Everyone else had a long resume of public service to dissect. All Obama had was the 2004 keynote address to the Dems.

[excon]

Would you believe the college then ? They say they cannot release his records to the public . This is true .But he can request and release them . He hasn't.

Hello again, tom:

So, this is as I suggested... The records simply aren't releasable unless Obama does it.

Simply ADDRESSING the issue would give it more legs... Let me ask you this... IF there IS a long form birth certificate, and Obama released it, do you think that would put an END to this?? Really??

I think you're right.. The question the right wing is asking is, "who is this guy"... Releasing documents won't satisfy that crowd.

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[tomder55]

I don't care about the birth cert. The US needs to seriously look at the Constitutional provision anyway. It was put into the Constitution to deny the possibility of an Alexander Hamilton Presidency. Since then there have been other high ranking officials in and out of the Federal Government who have been denied the possibility of becoming President.

The reason he is President is in my view because he had a razor thin public record available for scrutiny . Going into the next cycle we will at least have a 3 year record as POTUS to scrutinize. I don't think the rest of the stuff I mentioned will be in play except with the Jerome Corsi crowd .

[Wondergirl]

Simply ADDRESSING the issue would give it more legs... Lemme ask you this.... IF there IS a long form birth certificate, and Obama released it, do you think that would put an END to this???? Really???

Then he would be addressing the issue, like it's a serious one. Apparently an AP rep and one other individual have gone to Hawaii's office of vital records:

Index data referred to in HRS §338-18 from vital records in the State of Hawaii is available for inspection at the Department of Health’s Office of Health Status Monitoring at 1250 Punchbowl Street in Honolulu. The public will be asked to provide identification and sign in to inspect the names and sex of all births, deaths and marriages that occurred in the state. Data are maintained in bound copies by type of event with names listed alphabetically by last name.

The index data regarding President Obama is:

Birth Index
Obama II, Barack Hussein
Male

What would releasing college papers prove?

[tomder55]

Aren't you even curious ? Forget the tin foil hat stuff like the speculation he got financial aid as a foreign student. I'd like to see his thesis ;his authored submissions to the Harvard Law School and as a professor in Chitown . It would give some insight ;just like his candid comments on open mike are quite revealing .
Just like his comment that the founders screwed up by writing a Constitution without 'positive rights' .
Maybe we could compare writing style against his 1st autobiography .

It is outrageous that he is so guarded with things that should be automatic for a man who claims to aspire to a transparent administration. Let's have some transparency then.