[ITstudent2006]

I can understand where they were trying to go with this but you're right this will never pass.

[excon]

Hello again,

I would love to agree with my MORE than reasonable friends in their belief that something THIS draconian, simply could NOT pass.

But, when you've got a right wing governor, a right wing senate, and a right wing assembly, draconian or not, it certainly COULD pass.

excon

[tomder55]

I agree this bill will not pass. However there is an unwarranted hysteria being generated by rags like MJ and DU over this issue.
The text of the bill does not do what is being claimed here.

'Prenatal murder' means the intentional removal of a fetus from a woman with an intention other than to produce a live birth or to remove a dead fetus; provided, however, that if a physician makes a medically justified effort to save the lives of both the mother and the fetus and the fetus does not survive, such action shall not be prenatal murder. Such term does not include a naturally occurring expulsion of a fetus known medically as a 'spontaneous abortion' and popularly as a 'miscarriage' so long as there is no human involvement whatsoever in the causation of such event. (c) The act of prenatal murder is contrary to the health and well-being of the citizens of this state and to the state itself and is illegal in this state in all instances. (d) Any person committing prenatal murder in this state shall be guilty of a felony and, upon conviction, shall be punished as provided in subsection (d) of Code Section 16-5-1.

The law protects the mother who has a natural miscarriage as miscarriages are exempt .

[smoothy]

Hi Exy,

I love all my US friends, but I really have to say that I'm very glad I live in Canada.

An abortion here, no big deal. Not that I'd know first hand, but I have many friends that do, and it's never been an issue.

Personally as a conservative I really don't have much of an issue with early term abortions (first trimester only)... I have a HUGE issue with the people getting them expecting the taxpayers to fund them. I believe in you want to play you got to pay. They want them... they foot the bill. Don't expect me to foot the bill because a condom is too much of an inconvienience or taking a pill requires too much discipline. And yeah... most people getting them here fall into one of those two categories. The ones that took reasonible precautions are the minority.

But since Tomderr55 dug up the actual bill... and the wording is completely different, and as that is worded it does change everything. There have been cases were pregnant women have been abducted and killed and their still living baby cut out of their stomach but technically womb(sometimes they are killed first, other times they die during or shortly after). Usually by some really strange women.

As I read the bill now that it has been revealed it would subject those people to capital punishment rather than just a few years in jail. And in those cases I believe the Human race WOULD be served by taking them out of it once and for all. As should certain other offenders.

I wonder if those people originally quoted that are out grossly misrepresenting the bill ( Mother Jones in this case) are actually part of the anti death penalty crowd.

[excon]

Hello again,

I, too, appreciate the information tom provided. However, after reading it, I have a different understanding of it than my right wing friends...

In tom's post, it says that ANYBODY who removes a fetus and "....makes a medically justified effort to save the lives of both the mother and the fetus and the fetus does not survive, such action shall NOT BE prenatal murder."

Presumably, should a physician remove a fetus and NOT attempt to save its life, such action SHALL BE prenatal murder.

Now, I don't know about you, but it looks like this bill outlaws abortion..

excon

[tomder55]

Abortion unfortunately is the law of the land (Article VI, Clause 2
). Georgia cannot make laws to the contrary.

[J_9]

It also sounds like late term SAB (spontaneous abortion, otherwise known as miscarriage) is illegal. So, would I be held responsible if I don't try to save the life of a fetus born at 20 weeks gestation? Remember that viability only begins at 24 weeks, and even the survivability at that age is up to whatever higher power you believe in.

[excon]

abortion unfortunately is the law of the land (Article VI, Clause 2
). Georgia cannot make laws to the contrary.

Hello again, tom:

Of course they can't, just like Washington can't pass a law legalizing marijuana - but they're trying to. What happens if they do?

In Georgia, they can't pass a law outlawing abortion - but they're trying to. What happens if they do?

excon

[tomder55]

You are divining an intent that is just not there. I guess the child in the womb is undeserving of any protection.

[tomder55]

It also sounds like late term SAB (spontaneous abortion, otherwise known as miscarriage) is illegal. So, would I be held responsible if I don't try to save the life of a fetus born at 20 weeks gestation? Remember that viability only begins at 24 weeks, and even the survivability at that age is up to whatever higher power you believe in.

Why wouldn't there be an attempt to save the baby's life when there is medical justification for doing so ?

[J_9]

Why wouldn't there be an attempt to save the baby's life when there is medical justification for doing so ?

Prior to 24 weeks of gestation there is little to no viability of a fetus due to brain stem involvement and lung maturation.

[tomder55]

Then there would be no medical justification for the attempt.
I see nothing in bill that puts medical practitioners at risk for making that call.

[excon]

I guess the child in the womb is undeserving of any protection.

Hello again, tom:

I guess the rights of the mother are undeserving of any protection. And, we're back to square one.

excon