[excon]

Hello again, tom:

I don't. I was going to insert the words "public option" instead of Obamacare. It would have been more accurate to do so...

I'm just hoping that these people WOULD be provided for under Obamacare. Maybe not. What? You think I'm going to read 2,400 pages?

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[Wondergirl]

Obama care would change this ;can you say specifically how ?

Of course, not every mentally ill person would be a fit for an institution. Most of them do quite well as long as they take their meds properly and do what other maintenance is required. If they also have good support systems in the community and within their families, success is almost a sure thing. That's where your "death panels" would come in -- a team of experts to circle each wagon and work with individuals and their families to provide the best solution for them.

But ,by all accounts they were as nightmarish as Ken Kesey portrayed . Geraldo Rivera's exposes of Willowbrook confirmed that also.

Some, especially state ones, were, but most did the best they could. My grandmother was in a county facility and received good care back in the '40s and '50s. That particular institution still has a good rep. My uncle was in a VA mental facility off and on for years and also received good care (I had POA, so know first-hand.)

It mostly depends on the administrator/doctors whose management style determines staff behavior and attitudes. I've visited some really terrible facilities where patients feel free to disrobe in the dayroom, menacingly accost visitors, and generally have few boundaries. The administration was in shambles at the time, and the facility was eventually shut down.

[tomder55]

The way I see it ,Laughner was not screened for ,nor did he seek mental health care . So unless Obamacare forces mental health screening on people I don't see how circumstances change . Tht was really Lowery's point. He said that of all the States, Az. Has one of the better plans .

[Wondergirl]

The way I see it ,Laughner was not screened for ,nor did he seek mental health care .

My friend's Uncle Gerald didn't seek it either. His brother and wife made sure he was assessed by a "death panel."

So unless Obamacare forces mental health screening on people I don't see how circumstances change .

It wouldn't be forced. It would be required like a driver's license is required if you want to drive. Or even better, it would be required like auto insurance is in Illinois.

Most of us do the "death panel" thing now with our health care providers. When I landed in the hospital last September and ended up with two life-threatening conditions, my personal physician pulled together a team of specialists and other health care workers and met with them to get organized, and then with me, to make sure I had the best care/treatment available. At one point, I decided I didn't like one phase of the care presented. I objected, offered reasonable and legit alternatives, and my care plan was changed for that particular phase.

[tomder55]

It wouldn't be forced. It would be required like a driver's license is required if you want to drive. Or even better, it would be required like auto insurance is in Illinois.

I don't think he was referred by his parents either... nor did his friends ,or the people who noticed he was wacked out at his school.

Mandatory mental screening would be a good way for the Obots to screen the Tea Partiers and right wing radio listeners and quarantene them from the general population.

[tomder55]

Most of us do the "death panel" thing now with our health care providers. When I landed in the hospital last September and ended up with two life-threatening conditions, my personal physician pulled together a team of specialists and other health care workers and met with them to get organized, and then with me, to make sure I had the best care/treatment available. At one point, I decided I didn't like one phase of the care presented. I objected, offered reasonable and legit alternatives, and my care plan was changed for that particular phase.

That's not the same thing. The doctors in Obamacare are rewarded for offering end of life councilling .

[Wondergirl]

That's not the same thing. The doctors in Obamacare are rewarded for offering end of life councilling .

I hope my doctors will be offering me end-of-life counseling. I will need expert opinions and advice. And I hope they will be properly rewarded for it too.

WHY are people having trouble understanding palliative health care and end-of-life counseling every FIVE years?

DOCTOR'S ORDERS
Obamacare for old folks: Just 'cut your life short'
Health plan provision demands 'end-of-life' counseling
Posted: July 22, 2009
8:21 pm Eastern

By Bob Unruh
© 2010 WorldNetDaily

The version of President Obama's universal health care plan pending in the U.S. House would require "end-of-life" counseling for senior citizens, and the former lieutenant governor for the state of New York is warning people to "protect their parents" from the measure.

At issue is section 1233 of the legislative proposal that deals with a government requirement for an "Advance Care Planning Consultation."

Betsy McCaughey, the former New York state officer, told former president candidate Fred Thompson during an interview on his radio program the "consultation" is no more or less than an attempt to convince seniors to die.

"One of the most shocking things is page 425, where the Congress would make it mandatory absolutely that every five years people in Medicare have a required counseling session," she said. "They will tell [them] how to end their life sooner."

The proposal specifically calls for the consultation to recommend "palliative care and hospice" for seniors in their mandatory counseling sessions. Palliative care and hospice generally focus only on pain relief until death.

The measure requires "an explanation by the practitioner of the continuum of end-of-life services and supports available, including palliative care and hospice, and benefits for such services and supports that are available under this title."

[excon]

Hello Carol:

**greenie**

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