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    Jul 10, 2010, 06:51 AM
    Calling an elected official a Weasle!
    In reference to his continuous disregard of the public and the performance of his duty, the sign said "City Manger Joe Doe, a worthless weasel".
    Are public officials different from individuals when it comes to Libel?
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    Jul 10, 2010, 07:36 AM

    No - slander, libel laws apply to everyone.

    Is there a specific problem?
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    Jul 10, 2010, 07:38 AM

    Wouldn't this be considered "mudslining" in the political community?
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    Jul 10, 2010, 07:41 AM

    Well if you look at political and even movie stars stars, look at the names people called Bush and now the names people are calling Obama and I would say that there has to be some area where there is a difference
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    Jul 10, 2010, 09:32 AM

    Bush and Obama didn't have the time, energy or stomach to respond to critics, to get into your opinion vs my opinion vs public perception.

    But the slander/libel laws are what they are.

    Movie stars every now and then have had enough and do sue and do win - if the report is false.

    In politics I think if you get down and wrestle with pigs you also get covered with mud and so they don't bother.
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    Jul 10, 2010, 09:51 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by hader View Post
    the sign said "City Manger Joe Doe, a worthless weasel".
    are public officials different from individuals when it comes to Libel?
    Hello hader:

    I agree with Judy. But the sign, as it is worded it, is NOT libel.

    excon
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    Jul 10, 2010, 06:05 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by hader View Post
    ... are public officials different from individuals when it comes to Libel?
    Yes. If the official is considered a public figure, it's more difficult for the official to win a defamation case against one who says or writes something about that official.

    But in any case, calling someone a "worthless weasel" is not, without more, defamatory.
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    Jul 10, 2010, 06:23 PM

    The Supreme Court does hold libel cases bought by people in the public eye to a higher standard then cases by ordinary citizens.
    The Law: Libel Liability: Test for Public Figures - TIME

    But I agree, the sign expresses an opinion and is not an accusation of wrong doing so is not actionable.
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    Jul 10, 2010, 06:32 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by ScottGem View Post
    The Supreme Court does hold libel cases bought by people in the public eye to a higher standard then cases by ordinary citizens.
    The Law: Libel Liability: Test for Public Figures - TIME
    ...
    The linked article is dated Jun. 23, 1967! I don't recall if we even had the Internet back then. :)
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    Jul 10, 2010, 07:35 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by AK lawyer View Post
    The linked article is dated Jun. 23, 1967! I don't recall if we even had the Internet back then. :)
    And that matters because?
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    Jul 10, 2010, 08:01 PM
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    "But in any case, calling someone a "worthless weasel" is not, without more, defamatory."
    Run that one more time by me!
    What are you saying? I want to be clear on what you said.
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    Jul 12, 2010, 07:25 AM
    Ak lawyer Said: "But in any case, calling someone a "worthless weasel" is not, without more, defamatory."
    Can someone explain what he is trying to say? Thanks!
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    Jul 12, 2010, 07:27 AM

    I'm not a Lawyer... But most elected officials are weasels.
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    Jul 12, 2010, 07:28 AM

    Its not libel by itself. There would need to be a more defamatory statement.

    For example:

    Not libel:
    So and so is a worthless weasel

    Libel:
    So and so is a worthless weasel who stole from the people.
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    Jul 12, 2010, 07:50 AM
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    Thank you!

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