[friend4u178]

That's what I did, and from what I can see it worked. I figured since I had a little extra time I'd do some leg work for ClassyT.

No problem , that link takes me to the TOP of page 2. Wasn't sure if you wanted a particular post on that page.

All good , carry on :)

[JoeCanada76]

Okay I will do the work.

[JoeCanada76]

Here It is again:

Second Esdras 7. 75 - 101

State of the Dead before Judgment.

I answered and said, "If I found favor in your sight, o lord, Show this also to your servant: whether after death, as soon as one of us yields up the soul, we shall be kept in rest until those times come when you will renew the creation, or whether we shall be tormented at once?

He answered me and said, "I will show you that also, but do not include yourself with those who have shown scorn, or number yourself among those who are tormented. For you have a treasure of works stored up with the Most High, but it will not be shown to you until the last times. Now concerning death, the teaching is: When the decisive decree has gone out from the Most High that a person shall die, as the spirit leaves the body to return again to him who gave it, first of all it adores the glory of the Most High. If it is one of those who have shown scorn and have not kept the way of the Most High, Who have despised his law and hated those who fear God - such spirits shall not enter into habitations, but shall immediately wander about in torments, always grieving and sad, in seven ways.

The first way, because they have scorned the law of the Most High. The second way, because they cannot now make a good repentance so that they may live. The third way, they shall see the reward laid up for those who have trusted the covenants of the Most High. The fourth way, they shall consider the torment laid up for themselves in the last days. The firth way, they shall see how the habitations the others of the others are guarded by angels in profound quiet. The sixth way, they shall see how some of them will cross over into torments. The seventh way, which is worse then all the ways that have been mentioned, because they shall utterly waste away in confusion and be consumed with shame, and shall wither with fear at seeing the glory of the most High in whose presence they sinned while they were alive, and in whose presence they are to be judged in the last times.

Now this is the order of those who have kept the ways of the Most High, when they shall be separated from their mortal body. During the time that they lived in it, they laboriously served the Most High, and withstood danger every hour so that they might keep the law of the lawgiver perfectly. Therefore this is the teaching concerning them. First of all, they shall see with great joy the glory of him who receives them, for they shall have rest in seven orders. The first order, because they have striven with great effort to over come the evil thought that was formed with them, so that it might not lead them astray from life into death. The second order, because they see the perplexity in which the souls of the ungodly wander and the punishment that was them. The third order they see the witness that he who formed them bears concerning them, that through out their life they kept the law with which they were entrusted. The fourth order, they understood the rest that they now enjoy, being gathered into their chambers and guarded by angels in profound quiet, and the glory waiting for them in the last days. The fifth order, they rejoice that they have now escaped whats corruptible and shall inherit what is to come and besides they see the straits and toil from which they have been delivered, and the spacious liberty that they are to receive and enjoy in immortality. The sixth order, when it is shown them how thier face is to shine like the sun, and how they are to be made like the light of the stars, being incorruptible from then on. The seventh order, which is greater then all that have been mentioned, because they shall rejoice with boldness, and shall be confident without confusion and shall be glad without fear, for they press forward to see the face of him whom they served in life and from whom they are to receive their reward when glorified.

This is the order of the souls of the righteous, as henceforth is announced; and the previously mentioned are the ways of the torment that those who would not give heed shall suffer hereafter.

Then I answered and said, "Will time therefore be given to the souls, after they have been separated from the bodies, to see what you have described to me?'

He said to me, 'They shall have freedom for seven days, so that during these seven days they may see the things of which you have been told, and afterward they shall be gathered in their habitations.'

[dwashbur]

No problem , that link takes me to the TOP of page 2. Wasn't sure if you wanted a particular post on that page.

All good , carry on :)

Curiouser and curiouser, because it took me to the specific post I was trying to link to. As a quasi-French hippie might say, je ne diggue pas.

[classyT]

Here It is again:

That is the frist time I have read that. You say this is an actual book in your bible? Is your bible a Catholic bible? Who is the Lord suppose to be talking to?

I don't see how it is consistent with what the Lord Jesus taught and what revelation has to say concerning hell.

Are you saying you believe from this book that people get a second chance after 7 days. I'm slow Joe... help me out.

The NT.. says to be absent from the Bible is to be present with the Lord. If you are a Christian. I don't understand this 7 day thing... at all.

[JoeCanada76]

I think you need to re read it.

[classyT]

Joe,

Please help explain to me what this part means:

Then I answered and said, "Will time therefore be given to the souls, after they have been separated from the bodies, to see what you have described to me?'

He said to me, 'They shall have freedom for seven days, so that during these seven days they may see the things of which you have been told, and afterward they shall be gathered in their habitations.'

[Kitkat22]

Joe... I'm not really that familiar with the Catholic Bible... Please explain that post to me so I can understand what it means... I mean explain it from your perspective if you would... Thanks Joe... Kit

[JoeCanada76]

Who said anything about a Catholic bible??

When I have more time, I will come back.

[Kitkat22]

Who said anything about a Catholic bible???

When I have more time, I will come back.

Thanks Joe... I thought it was from the Catholic Bible.. Sorry... :)

[Wondergirl]

Thanks Joe....I thought it was from the Catholic Bible..Sorry.....:)

I Esdras is Ezra plus four additional chapters. 2 Esdras is in the (according to Protestants) Apocrypha. Neither is in the canon of 66 books. Check Wikipedia for the history and description of each.

[Kitkat22]

I Esdras is Ezra plus four additional chapters. 2 Esdras is in the (according to Protestants) Apocrypha. Neither is in the canon of 66 books. Check Wikipedia for the history and description of each.

Thanks WG... It's interesting to know these things.:)

[JoeCanada76]

2 Esdras - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Wondergirl]

2 Esdras - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yup, like I had said --

Check Wikipedia for the history and description of each.

"Usage

The book is considered one of the gems of Jewish apocalyptic literature. While it was not received into European Christian canons, the Jewish Apocalypse of Ezra, i.e. 2 Esdras 3-14, is regarded as Scripture in the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, and it was also widely cited by early Fathers of the Church, particularly Ambrose of Milan."

[Kitkat22]

Thanks WG and Joe...

[JoeCanada76]

I will also add a lot more to information later, as when I have time. There is lots of info to give.

Anyway Chow for now. Hope you guys research and read yourself and take something from it anyway.

[Kitkat22]

I will also add a lot more to information later, as when I have time. There is lots of info to give.

Anyway Chow for now. Hope you guys research and read yourself and take something from it anyway.

Thanks Joe... :)