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Tokugawa · Jan 17, 2010, 07:53 AM

Hey! Good point! Don't immunise! There is no data to suggest that those who are immunised against anything have ever been exposed to anything!

Damn! If only we had people like you when polio was stalking! Then again, polio vaccine was just a way for FDR to keep track.

tomder55 · Jan 18, 2010, 06:26 AM

Just like I had said about disasters. States are the ones with the rights. Its not the Federal Government. And that's how the constitution is suppose to work.

So then it is your contention that the national government is impotent to act on a pandemic that crosses national borders as well as State boundries ? Amazing .
As I understand history ,the founders met to revise the Articles of Confederation to deal with just such an impotent national government as you suggest we should have .Posse Comitatus was a law passed after the Reconstruction occupation of the South to restrict the use of Federal forces inside the country. Since then it has been used to tie the hands of the Federal Government . As we saw in the Katrina response ,the delay that caused was devastating .

Clearly Constitutional guidelines can ,should ,and have been drawn up to handle interstate emergency responses . The 'Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act (Stafford Act) passed in 1988 'funnels the Federal response through FEMA . It was further refined in 2000 with the 'Disaster Mitigation Act of 2000' .

Although the language of these acts dances around the 10th amendment issues you are concerned about ;there is no doubt that these acts are intended to make the Federal Government the lead agency in national emergencies. This and any other similar act will survive SCOTUS review.

J_9 · Jan 18, 2010, 06:39 AM

Originally Posted by Tokugawa

Hey!! Good point!! Don't immunise! There is no data to suggest that those who are immunised against anything have ever been exposed to anything!

Damn! If only we had people like you when polio was stalking! Then again, polio vaccine was just a way for FDR to keep track.

Whoa, back up... WAY up! I'm a nurse. I am all for immunizations. I've had my H1N1 vaccine, and my seasonal flu vaccine. All of my children have had their vaccinations, including one that is not required, varicella zoster.

My point is that even with the vaccinations it is possible to get the virus, albeit a milder form. Also, not all people are in the risk categories. Risk categories include people under 25 years of age, those with chronic illnesses, those with chronic respiratory illness, and pregnant women.

Again, just because we got the vaccine doesn't mean we won't be exposed to, or catch, a mild strain of the virus.

So, until you know me and what I am for and/or against, please don't make such sweeping generalizations about me.

Synnen · Jan 19, 2010, 05:12 PM

OKAY!

Cleaned up the (way) off topic stuff.

Can you go back to dissing each other for being afraid of a little ol' virus now, please?

(btw... no one who actually HAD H1N1 would knock it. It put me on my back for 15 straight days.)

Skell · Jan 19, 2010, 05:42 PM

Clete,
Calm down man. Don't let it get under your skin. Sure these guys have got their flaws, some more than others ;), but deep down they isn't too bad :)

On the topic of H1N1, it wouldn't be the first time drug companies have manipulated situation to suit their bottom line.

paraclete · Jan 20, 2010, 04:17 AM

Originally Posted by Skell

Clete,
Calm down man. Dont let it get under your skin. Sure these guys have got their flaws, some more than others ;), but deep down they aint too bad :)

On the topic of H1N1, it wouldnt be the first time drug companies have manipulated situation to suit their bottom line.

Hey iI agree but who will pay for the over production? You know it's going to be us one way or another

speechlesstx · Jan 20, 2010, 05:59 AM

Originally Posted by Synnen

OKAY!!

Cleaned up the (way) off topic stuff.

Can you go back to dissing each other for being afraid of a little ol' virus now, please?

(btw...no one who actually HAD H1N1 would knock it. It put me on my back for 15 straight days.)

Just "cleaning up" instead of closing now?

Synnen · Jan 20, 2010, 08:35 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Just "cleaning up" instead of closing now?

It was a good discussion until it got off topic with spelling and grammar.

I thought you guys might like to continue it, is all.

tomder55 · May 4, 2010, 06:50 AM

Update :The United States still has 71 million doses of H1N1 swine flu vaccine that have not been used
U.S. has 71 million unused flu vaccine doses | Reuters

H1N1 swine flu is still technically causing a pandemic and health officials say anyone who has not been vaccinated should still try, in case it causes a third wave of serious disease.

Health experts consider swine flu likely to join the mix of seasonal flu viruses and it will be included in the seasonal flu vaccine for 2010-2011, which will also contain two other flu strains.

paraclete · May 4, 2010, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by tomder55

update :The United States still has 71 million doses of H1N1 swine flu vaccine that have not been used
U.S. has 71 million unused flu vaccine doses | Reuters

Update; I would say it might be good idea not to use them, might be passed their use by date. We have had a serious problem here with immunuisation of childern under five, so much so that immunisation of children under 5 is banned.