[speechlesstx]

Someone has seemingly hacked emails from the University of East Anglia Climate Research Unit that appear to show a conspiracy to hide data that doesn't fit the climate change rhetoric. And yes, the director of the unit has said the emails seem to be genuine.

Some samples:

From: Phil Jones
To: ray bradley ,mann@XXXX, mhughes@XXXX
Subject: Diagram for WMO Statement
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:31:15 +0000
Cc: k.briffa @XXX.osborn @XXXX

Dear Ray, Mike and Malcolm,

Once Tim’s got a diagram here we’ll send that either later today or first thing tomorrow.

I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd from 1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline. Mike’s series got the annual land and marine values while the other two got April-Sept for NH land N of 20N. The latter two are real for 1999, while the estimate for 1999 for NH combined is +0.44C wrt 61-90. The Global estimate for 1999 with data through Oct is +0.35C cf. 0.57 for 1998.

Thanks for the comments, Ray.

Cheers
Phil

Prof. Phil Jones
Climatic Research Unit Telephone XXXX
School of Environmental Sciences Fax XXXX
University of East Anglia
Norwich

From: Tom Wigley [... ]
To: Phil Jones [... ]
Subject: 1940s
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 23:25:38 -0600
Cc: Ben Santer [... ]

Phil,
Here are some speculations on correcting SSTs to partly explain the 1940s warming blip. If you look at the attached plot you will see that theland also shows the 1940s blip (as I’m sure you know).

So, if we could reduce the ocean blip by, say, 0.15 degC, then this would be significant for the global mean – but we’d still have to explain the land blip. I’ve chosen 0.15 here deliberately. This still leaves an ocean blip, and i think one needs to have some form of ocean blip to explain the land blip (via either some common forcing, or ocean forcing land, or vice versa, or all of these). When you look at other blips, the land blips are 1.5 to 2 times (roughly) the ocean blips—higher sensitivity plus thermal inertia effects. My 0.15 adjustment leaves things consistent with this, so you can see where I am coming from.
Removing ENSO does not affect this.
It would be good to remove at least part of the 1940s blip, but we are still left with “why the blip”.
Let me go further. If you look at NH vs SH and the aerosol effect (qualitatively or with MAGICC) then with a reduced ocean blip we get continuous warming in the SH, and a cooling in the NH—just as one would expect with mainly NH aerosols.
The other interesting thing is (as Foukal et al. note – from MAGICC) that the 1910-40 warming cannot be solar. The Sun can get at most 10% of this with Wang et al solar, less with Foukal solar. So this may well be NADW, as Sarah and I noted in 1987 (and also Schlesinger later). A reduced SST blip in the 1940s makes the 1910-40 warming larger than the SH (which it currently is not)—but not really enough.
So... why was the SH so cold around 1910? Another SST problem? (SH/NH data also attached.)

This stuff is in a report I am writing for EPRI, so I’d appreciate any comments you (and Ben) might have.
Tom.

Hiding and removing data? Someone has got some 'splainin' to do.

[TUT317]

I was rather interested in the e-mail to Jones regarding the Surface Sea Temperatures ( as posted by Speechless. See above)

How to euphemistically correct the 1940's Surface Sea Temperature data by reducing it 0.15 degs. C. That is the problem, or so it seems to be.

Why would any scientist consider this type of data from the 1940's accurate? There was no thermal imaging , no systematic network of locations to compare reading. The sea temperature measured on any given ship at any given location would depend on such things as how long the bucket was left on the deck, in the sun while someone ran and got a thermometer.

How accurate was a 1940's thermometer? I would suggest that if it was read within 1.5 degs. Accuracy
They were doing well.

Given these circumstances would it not be easy to explain away any small blip? In fact it would be easy to explain a large blip.

Yes, something is not quite right.

[tomder55]

This is a beautiful thing . The left loves whistle blowers... don't they ?

Steve the die is cast . The locust are converging on Copenhagen and many of them like the Goracle have a financial stake in the outcome.

Carbon traders will also be at the meetings, and hungry for the expansion of their business. … “If you had to pick one industry that is most 'leveraged' to an agreement in Copenhagen, it would be this industry that develops, finances or buys credits from greenhouse gas reduction projects internationally, outside the U.S.” … “If there is an agreement in the near term with the U.S. as a partner, domestic projects and investments to reduce emissions could well be eligible for the international carbon market,” Mr. Rau said. “That would spawn a whole industry here.”

As usual ;since their lead ballons won't float on there own these guys see government funding as their mother's milk.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/19/bu...LEAN.html?_r=1

“After 2012, when the Kyoto Protocol expires, Mr. Rau said, the value of the investments in developing countries will be uncertain, and if the uncertainty is prolonged, it can hurt investment.”

I can just see the Goracle on an infomercial now hawking carbon credits like those gold hucksters . "Buy your carbon credits now before it's too late" !

That these scientists are lying sacks of human excrement isn't no big thang according to Greenpeace.

A spokesman for Greenpeace said: “If you looked through any organisation's emails from the last 10 years you'd find something that would raise a few eyebrows. Contrary to what the sceptics claim, the Royal Society, the US National Academy of Sciences, Nasa and the world's leading atmospheric scientists are not the agents of a clandestine global movement against the truth.

Climate sceptics claim leaked emails are evidence of collusion among scientists | Environment | guardian.co.uk

They don't even attent to hide their true motives anymore. Green taxes =more socialist programs.
Herman Van Rompuy, front-runner for presidency, wants EU-wide tax - Times Online
It's the same reason why the Democrats here are suddenly embracing VAT taxes. Nanny's breasts are running dry.

[speechlesstx]

Yes they love whistleblowers and are especially fond of dissent, too. The administration recently told two EPA lawyers (who face possible disciplinary action) to yank videos they posted critical of cap-and-tax and they silenced EPA researcher Alan Carlin for his criticism of the EPA for using outdated data to reach their "public endangerment" finding. And as I noted earlier, John Kerry was for correct data before he was against it.

"Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!"

[twinkiedooter]

My favorite quote from Mr. Gore was on last night. He stated that the earth's core was molten. Something like a million degres. Phew! Sure glad he didn't become President if he thinks the earth's core is a million degrees. Just how stupid can this man get with his facts? I'm on tenterhooks waiting for his next pronouncement in unreality.

[tomder55]

Dan Quayle must be feeling pretty smart by now.. Actually the Goracle said it was "several million degrees " .Maybe on planet Gore it is ;but not here.


CONAN O'BRIEN, HOST: Now, what about ... you talk in the book about geothermal energy...
AL GORE, NOBEL LAUREATE: Yeah, yeah.
O'BRIEN: ...and that is, as I understand it, using the heat that's generated from the core of the earth ...
GORE: Yeah.
O'BRIEN: ...to create energy, and it sounds to me like an evil plan by Lex Luthor to defeat Superman. Can you, can you tell me, is this a viable solution, geothermal energy? GORE: It definitely is, and it's a relatively new one. People think about geothermal energy - when they think about it at all - in terms of the hot water bubbling up in some places, but two kilometers or so down in most places there are these incredibly hot rocks, 'cause the interior of the earth is extremely hot, several million degrees, and the crust of the earth is hot ...

He must've come back from watching '2012' .

It's plenty hot down thar of course ;estimates vary averaging about 4000 degree C . Hot enough to make a valid point about geothermal energy . But you would thing the Nobel Prize winner for junk science would be more schooled about the facts.

[TUT317]

Quote from Tomder55
"That these scientists are lying sacks of human excrement aint no big thang according to Greenpeace.

Ok, you have got me. I was a small part of this world wide conspiracy. The only problem was that it was during the 1970's and we didn't realize there was a conspiracy. This was a good trick considering a world wide conspiracy is next to impossible to achieve.

We changed data because during that time no computer revolution had taken place. All reading (land and sea) were done manually. There was always the possibility of human error. Land based reading were always regarded as being more accurate, but errors still were a reality. Ship based reading during this time were regarded as less accurate because there was a greater possibility of things going wrong.

When faced with recording data there were always a number of choices. Use the data even though you suspected it was inaccurate. Reject the readings altogether. Change the readings so it fitted in better with what had already been recorded. It was left up to the individual to decide.

Perhaps I should keep quite because some "climate change expert" might take this information and make it into a fake e-mail.

[tomder55]

Are they covering up the findings or not ? Greenpeace doesn't seem at all concerned that this is happening . It appears to me that these scientists have a predetermined conclusion they are trying to support .

[TUT317]

are they covering up the findings or not ? Greenpeace doesn't seem at all concerned that this is happening . It appears to me that these scientists have a predetermined conclusion they are trying to support .

Yes, I think that is the most likely reason. What do you do? You have what you think is suspect sea temperature data. You can't just get rid of it because you will have nothing to work with. You think you know the reason for the data being suspect but you can't prove it.

The most attractive alternative, especially when under pressure, is to,'fiddle around with the figures'.

Anyway, that's my best guess as to what has happened.

[speechlesstx]

My favorite quote from Mr. Gore was on last night. He stated that the earth's core was molten. Something like a million degres. Phew! Sure glad he didn't become President if he thinks the earth's core is a million degrees. Just how stupid can this man get with his facts? I'm on tenterhooks waiting for his next pronouncement in unreality.

Yep, the video is at the link I provided in my last post.

[TUT317]

Yes, who knows what Mr Gore might do next. He may even jump to conclusions before all the facts are available.

[speechlesstx]

Yes, who knows what Mr Gore might do next. He may even jump to conclusions before all the facts are available.

LOL, I don't think he cares... too much money and fame at stake.

[tomder55]

Steve ;this has swiftly been labelled "Climategate" and the IPCC is being compared to the inquisitors that persecuted Galileo. These emails are the Pentagon Papers of our era.

What did the Goracle know and when did he know it?He should be compelled to return his Nobel Prize. The Scientists involved should be drummed out of the ranks much like they do to frauds who fake data on genetics. The responsible scientific journals should expunge from the record anything published using doctored studies . Anyone who stonewalled FOIA inquires should be fired from their positions .

[tomder55]

So far, the most interesting file I found in the “documents” directory is which shows that since 1990, Phil Jones has collected staggering 13.7 million British pounds ($22.6 million) in grants.

http://motls.blogspot.com/2009/11/hacked-hadley-cru-foi2009-files.html

As the crickets chirp I await a call for Congressional and Parlimentary Inquiries into probably the biggest fraud in the last century . Many of these scientists are Americans. They should be called to testify under oath.

[speechlesstx]

The NYT, while having no qualms about publishing state secrets, refuses to print the emails:

The documents appear to have been acquired illegally and contain all manner of private information and statements that were never intended for the public eye, so they won’t be posted here.

In 2006, when the Slimes published information about the SWIFT program, their executive editor Bill Keller said, "one man's breach of security is another man's public relations."

WaPo actually reported on the emails:

In one e-mail, the center's director, Phil Jones, writes Pennsylvania State University's Michael E. Mann and questions whether the work of academics that question the link between human activities and global warming deserve to make it into the prestigious IPCC report, which represents the global consensus view on climate science.

"I can't see either of these papers being in the next IPCC report," Jones writes. "[Kevin and I will keep them out somehow -- even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is!"

In another, Jones and Mann discuss how they can pressure an academic journal not to accept the work of climate skeptics with whom they disagree. "Perhaps we should encourage our colleagues in the climate research community to no longer submit to, or cite papers in, this journal," Mann writes.

"I will be emailing the journal to tell them I'm having nothing more to do with it until they rid themselves of this troublesome editor," Jones replies.

So "scientists" are hiding and manipulating data, suppressing dissent, threatening uncooperative journal editors... and revealing their unbelievable hypocrisy:

Patrick Michaels, a senior fellow at the libertarian Cato Institute who comes under fire in the e-mails, said these same academics repeatedly criticized him for not having published more peer-reviewed papers.

"There's an egregious problem here, their intimidation of journal editors," he said. "They're saying, 'If you print anything by this group, we won't send you any papers.' "

Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead...

Warming's impacts sped up, worsened since Kyoto
By SETH BORENSTEIN,AP Science Writer - Monday, November 23

WASHINGTON – Since the 1997 international accord to fight global warming, climate change has worsened and accelerated _ beyond some of the grimmest of warnings made back then.

[excon]

Hello Steve:

Yeah... Them LYING lefty's... Let's just keep throwing our trash into the air. It don't do nothing. Humph... Them lefy's...

excon

[ETWolverine]

Hello Steve:

Yeah.... Them LYING lefty's... Let's just keep throwing our trash into the air. It don't do nothing. Humph... Them lefy's.....

excon

What trash?

[speechlesstx]

Hello Steve:

Yeah.... Them LYING lefty's... Let's just keep throwing our trash into the air. It don't do nothing. Humph... Them lefy's.....

Ex, this is a really tired and irrelevant line. We've all agreed pollution is bad, now we need to agree that the biggest (global) scientific and political hoax/scam ever is bad, too.

[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

If you quit smoking because you thought the dollar fairy was going to lay a million on you, would it matter to your lungs that you quit for the wrong reason?

excon

[tomder55]

Avoiding the facts that we have been proven right that the science behind GW is a complete fabricated fraud ?