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    Nov 20, 2009, 06:03 AM
    Psalm 109
    Hello Righty's:

    I see that you have embraced the following as your watchword... Here it is in its entirety.

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    Psalm 109

    1 O God, whom I praise,
    do not remain silent,

    2 for wicked and deceitful men
    have opened their mouths against me;
    they have spoken against me with lying tongues.

    3 With words of hatred they surround me;
    they attack me without cause.

    4 In return for my friendship they accuse me,
    but I am a man of prayer.

    5 They repay me evil for good,
    and hatred for my friendship.

    6 Appoint an evil man to oppose him;
    let an accuser stand at his right hand.

    7 When he is tried, let him be found guilty,
    and may his prayers condemn him.

    8 May his days be few;
    may another take his place of leadership.

    9 May his children be fatherless
    and his wife a widow.

    10 May his children be wandering beggars;
    may they be driven [d] from their ruined homes.

    11 May a creditor seize all he has;
    may strangers plunder the fruits of his labor.

    12 May no one extend kindness to him
    or take pity on his fatherless children.

    13 May his descendants be cut off,
    their names blotted out from the next generation.

    14 May the iniquity of his fathers be remembered before the LORD;
    may the sin of his mother never be blotted out.

    15 May their sins always remain before the LORD,
    that he may cut off the memory of them from the earth.

    16 For he never thought of doing a kindness,
    but hounded to death the poor
    and the needy and the brokenhearted.

    17 He loved to pronounce a curse—
    may it [e] come on him;
    he found no pleasure in blessing—
    may it be [f] far from him.

    18 He wore cursing as his garment;
    it entered into his body like water,
    into his bones like oil.

    19 May it be like a cloak wrapped about him,
    like a belt tied forever around him.

    20 May this be the LORD's payment to my accusers,
    to those who speak evil of me.

    21 But you, O Sovereign LORD,
    deal well with me for your name's sake;
    out of the goodness of your love, deliver me.

    22 For I am poor and needy,
    and my heart is wounded within me.

    23 I fade away like an evening shadow;
    I am shaken off like a locust.

    24 My knees give way from fasting;
    my body is thin and gaunt.

    25 I am an object of scorn to my accusers;
    when they see me, they shake their heads.

    26 Help me, O LORD my God;
    save me in accordance with your love.

    27 Let them know that it is your hand,
    that you, O LORD, have done it.

    28 They may curse, but you will bless;
    when they attack they will be put to shame,
    but your servant will rejoice.

    29 My accusers will be clothed with disgrace
    and wrapped in shame as in a cloak.

    30 With my mouth I will greatly extol the LORD;
    in the great throng I will praise him.

    31 For he stands at the right hand of the needy one,
    to save his life from those who condemn him.

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    I don't ordinarily post religious garbage, but I thought the world ought to know what your favored psalm REALLY says...

    You ought to be ashamed - but you're not.

    excon
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    Nov 20, 2009, 06:04 AM
    You know I'm not a Biblical literalist .
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    Nov 20, 2009, 06:12 AM

    Come on ex, it was funny. What happened to your sense of humor?
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    Nov 20, 2009, 06:24 AM

    Hello again, Steve:

    9 May his children be fatherless
    And his wife a widow.

    You'll forgive me if I don't find the humor. Are you folks that dense? Do you not see the danger is this?

    Yes, you really are that dense. OR, you want someone to take a potshot at Obama...

    It's ONE of the above.

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    Nov 20, 2009, 06:28 AM

    Ex I only quoted 8

    Rest assured when I quote Judges 15:16 I'm not really threatening to beat you to death with the jawbone of an a$$ .
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    Nov 20, 2009, 06:29 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Ex I only quoted 8
    Hello again, tom:

    Context matters.

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    Nov 20, 2009, 06:46 AM
    Is this thread related to this?
    Former evangelist: Religious right is 'trawling for assassins' | Raw Story
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    Nov 20, 2009, 06:53 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Ex I only quoted 8

    Rest assured when I quote Judges 15:16 I'm not really threatening to beat you to death with the jawbone of an a$$ .
    Is it actually possible to beat excon to death with his own jawbone?
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    Nov 20, 2009, 06:54 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by ETWolverine View Post
    Is it actually possible to beat excon to death with his own jawbone?
    What's with the nasty insults?
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    Nov 20, 2009, 07:10 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    What's with the nasty insults?
    What? Calling him an @ss?

    This entire thread is assinine. If the shoe fits...

    Elliot
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    Nov 20, 2009, 07:24 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by ETWolverine View Post
    This entire thread is assinine.
    Hello Elliot:

    I knew that I'd be posting over your head with this one, Elliot. Maybe you'll be able to follow my next one...

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    Nov 20, 2009, 08:01 AM

    You're posting biblical references, and you think they're over MY head?

    Who is it you think you're talking to? A biblical illiterate like NK?

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    Nov 20, 2009, 08:06 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by ETWolverine View Post
    Who is it you think you're talking to? A biblical illiterate like NK?

    Elliot
    More insults. You having a bad day?
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    Nov 20, 2009, 08:09 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by ETWolverine View Post
    You're posting biblical references, and you think they're over MY head?
    Hello again, Elliot:

    What's over your head, isn't the biblical reference. It's the political CONTEXT that the biblical reference refers to.

    You don't understand that at all... Or you do, and you'd like to see someone take Obama out. It's ONE or the OTHER.

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    Nov 20, 2009, 08:18 AM

    When the lefty's made movies about the murder of Bush we were told "aint no big thang" . My reference is about the size of a bumper sticker ,and taken without the literal context and translation is just an amusing political statement . Nothing more or less.
    Are you calling Secret Service to investigate ?
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    Nov 20, 2009, 08:19 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Schaeffer is an idiot and this is all as Elliot put it, 'assinine.' Getting all worked up over a harmless bumper sticker that is actually. I didn't notice anyone getting all worked up over the slogans used during the Bush years...








    And that's the mild stuff. Here's the rest.

    Pardon me if I'm not moved by the outrage over Psalm 109:8
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    Nov 20, 2009, 08:21 AM

    Your using the wrong book for your argument it should be the koran.
    More violence against the infedels <sp.check
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    Nov 20, 2009, 08:25 AM
    Well those don't seem to be advocating the Christians to assassinate Bush.
    And the Christian Science Monitor is reporting it as well as that guy:
    Biblical anti-Obama slogan: Use of Psalm 109:8 funny or sinister? | csmonitor.com
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    Nov 20, 2009, 08:25 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Elliot:

    What's over your head, isn't the biblical reference. It's the political CONTEXT that the biblical reference refers to.

    You don't understand that at all... Or you do, and you'd like to see someone take Obama out. It's ONE or the OTHER.

    excon
    So... you equate the sentence "May his days be few, may another take his place of leadership" as a call for assassination?

    It couldn't be a call to vote the guy out of office after ONE term instead of two, could it? That interpretation wouldn't help your anti-conservative screed very well, would it?

    Elliot
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    Nov 20, 2009, 08:28 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by ETWolverine View Post
    So... you equate the sentence "May his days be few, may another take his place of leadership" as a call for assasination?

    It couldn't be a call to vote the guy out of office after ONE term instead of two, could it? That interpretation wouldn't help your anti-conservative screed very well, would it?

    Elliot
    But the verse immediately following the psalm referenced is a bit more ominous: “Let his children be fatherless, and his wife a widow.”

    God, do I have to teach you everything about bible verses??

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