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loupi01 · Oct 28, 2006, 12:47 AM

Can a dining room receptacles be on the same circuit as living room circuits?
Can the dedicated dishwasher receptacle be located behind the dishwasher?

Thanks for your help

tkrussell · Oct 28, 2006, 01:25 AM

No dining room outlets are on a 20 amp #12 appliance circuit and living rooms are 15 or 20 amp general lighting circuits.

No the outlet and plug is considered as a service disconnect and must be accessible witout needing to move a staionary appliance. It can be under the sink, with the cord and plug passing through a hole in the cabinet.

EDIT:
I just thought of something else, if you have a switch on the counter or under the sink as a disconnect, then the outlet can be behind the dishwasher.

andrewcocke · Oct 28, 2006, 07:21 AM

Originally Posted by tkrussell

No dining room outlets are on a 20 amp #12 appliance circuit and living rooms are 15 or 20 amp general lighting circuits.

No the outlet and plug is considered as a service disconnect and must be accessible witout needing to move a staionary appliance. It can be under the sink, with the cord and plug passing thru a hole in the cabinet.

EDIT:
I just thought of something else, if you have a switch on the counter or under the sink as a disconnect, then the outlet can be behind the dishwasher.

Does this mean that you can't have the dishwasher hard wired directly to its own breaker?

tkrussell · Oct 28, 2006, 09:23 AM

That's correct,Andrew, the DW , and any appliance needs to have some way of killing power at the unit so that if someone is servicing it, that person has a way of knowing the power is off.

andrewcocke · Oct 28, 2006, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by tkrussell

Thats correct,Andrew, the DW , and any appliance needs to have some way of killing power at the unit so that if someone is servicing it, that person has a way of knowing the power is off.

Well I didn't know that. Needless to say my dishwasher is wired directly to the breaker. I didn't install it, but to be honest, if I did, I probobly would have wired it that way anyway.

Id sure be nice if some of these codes found theire way over to the commercial side of town. Just last week I spent all of an hour trying to locate a breaker for a reach in cooler becuaseed the darned thing was hard wired into the box somewhere. It didn't even have a power switch, there was no way to cut if off!

Never did find it, just worked on it hot, which I really don't care for doing.

tkrussell · Oct 28, 2006, 11:01 AM

That is odd, because many a home has been wired with no disconnect at the DW or the water heater, but I find, very seldom,disconnects missing in a commercial installation.

Should you ever run into a newly installed appliance or piece of equipment that does not have a service disconnect switch within sight and no more than 50 foot away, or a lockable device at a panel, then you have the right to not work on it, and demand one be installed.

Even an old installation for that matter. Check with NEC, OSHA, local codes etc.