[galveston]

Hello again, gal:

He's a liberal who believes the government is the solution to our problems. Do I believe he needs to be stopped??? Only when continuing the illegal programs started by Bush.

excon

So you have no problems with Obama going WAY further to the left than Bush did? WOW!

I think his label would be more like a Socialist with a severe leftward tilt.

[excon]

I think his label would be more like a Socialist with a severe leftward tilt.

Hello again, gal:

I know.

excon

[lshadylady]

He's leaning left all right. If we don't prop him up, he's going to fall over the line into something worse.
I do not want our country to be a Socialist country. I do not want to be like Canada or the UK. I like Democracy, a Capitalist system and the freedom to be what I want to be. Not in that order.

[NeedKarma]

I'm in Canada and we are more of a democracy than the US (you are a federal constitutional republic), it's a capitalistic system, we have all the freedom a man could want, and we have a great universal healthcare system.

[ETWolverine]

I'm in Canada and we are more of a democracy than the US (you are a federal constitutional republic), it's a capitalistic system, we have all the freedom a man could want, and we have a great universal healthcare system.

Yep. So wonderful that your citizens come to the USA for their health care. So wonderful that your doctors come HERE to work and get paid a decent wage. So wonderful that your own government is trying to find ways to privatize parts of the system because government-run health care costs too much and is too inefficient and patients are dying or losing limbs waiting on lines for care they should already have and WOULD have in the USA even if they couldn't pay for it.

Your lame attempts to paint your health care system as "wonderful" flies in the face of what everyone knows to be true. Your own newspapers report of the failings of your health care system every day. Your own government puts out the statistics that condemn that system.

Elliot

[Mommy805]

Amen wondergirl! I'm so sick of the Obama bashing! Those of us in the real world can appreciate the changes he is making. After 8 years of an idiocracy we finally have a leader with the balls to protect ALL AMERICANS not just the gun toting, bible thumping, anti choice white majority with fat pocketbooks. (before you pick apart my last statement, I am a single white mother from an upper middleclass family that was raised southern baptist in the Heart of Alabama that can still call a spade a spade) Give him time, you gave the idiot Bush way too much so shut it and deal with the fallout he caused.

[earl237]

Canada is a good place to live but we are not as free as people think. We have almost no right to bear arms, healthcare often involves waiting times of weeks or even months for essential treatment and freedom of speech is greatly threatened by section 13 of the human rights act. This act is used by politically correct left-wing special interest groups to persecute people who are harmless but have unpopular views.

[NeedKarma]

Yep. So wonderful that your citizens come to the USA for their health care.

I know, and our government pays for it!
You are one angry man.

Debunking Canadian health care myths - The Denver Post

[450donn]

Amen wondergirl! I'm so sick of the Obama bashing!

BUT you have no problem with Bush bashing for the last 8+ years!
How hypocritical is that!

[450donn]

I know, and our government pays for it!
You are one angry man.

Debunking Canadian health care myths - The Denver Post

Why don't you for once take your own suggestion
"Pathetic response - please do not post on this board."

[NeedKarma]

450,
What part didn't you like? The facts or me not understanding why Elliot goes to such lengths to try to convince me how unhappy I should be?

[cozyk]

He's leaning left alright. If we don't prop him up, he's going to fall over the line into something worse.
I do not want our country to be a Socialist country. I do not want to be like Canada or the UK. I like Democracy, a Capitalist system and the freedom to be what I want to be. Not in that order.

Canada is a Socialist country?? When did that happen?

[Skell]

He's leaning left alright. If we don't prop him up, he's going to fall over the line into something worse.
I do not want our country to be a Socialist country. I do not want to be like Canada or the UK. I like Democracy, a Capitalist system and the freedom to be what I want to be. Not in that order.

You need to get out more if you think people in Canada or the UK are any less free than you.

Have you ever been outside the US?

[paraclete]

He's leaning left alright. If we don't prop him up, he's going to fall over the line into something worse.
I do not want our country to be a Socialist country. I do not want to be like Canada or the UK. I like Democracy, a Capitalist system and the freedom to be what I want to be. Not in that order.

That quote of yours reveals much about you, including the fact that you know little about other nations. The USA is not the only model for democracy in the world, in fact from the view of an outsider, it appears to be a very flawed model. Now my own nation, Australia, was also modeled after the American system with a few local twists, and its democratic institutions work much better than yours seem to do. We have a socialist, by american standards, implementation with universal health care, government owned enterprises and so on. Capitalism thrives here without the thieves being fostered by the system and when our politicians do a deal to get legislation through it isn't decorated with pork barrelling in the fashion of the US democracy. Our leader is required to answer to the parliament every day of the session, Whilst this appears like a bear pit at times, there is no part of executive action which doesn't face scruitiny by the electorate

[Skell]

That quote of yours reveals much about you, including the fact that you know little about other nations. The USA is not the only model for democracy in the world, in fact from the view of an outsider, it appears to be a very flawed model. Now my own nation, Australia, was also modeled after the American system with a few local twists, and its democratic institutions work much better than yours seem to do. We have a socialist, by american standards, implementation with universal health care, government owned enterprises and so on. Capitalism thrives here without the thieves being fostered by the system and when our politicians do a deal to get legislation through it isn't decorated with pork barrelling in the fashion of the US democracy. Our leader is required to answer to the parliament every day of the session, Whilst this appears like a bear pit at times, there is no part of executive action which doesn't face scruitiny by the electorate

Good response. Our system down here sure has its faults but as you imply we certainly aren't lacking any 'rights'...

Im just waiting for Elliot to attack our health care system now.

[lshadylady]

Hi Needkarma

I have been talking to people in Canada for years about their Health Care System. You are the first person I have heard say they like it. I am a Nurse and we often hired temps from Canada. They were the nicest people you would ever meet and all very hard workers. They all said your health care is a nightmare for the elderly and poor.

Here is what your Newspaper had to say about it today. The Chronicle.

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The U.S. government runs Medicaid and Medicare and they are both bankrupt! So now we want the government to run the rest of the health-care business?

Well, first take a look at the government-run system in Canada.
The doctor shortage in Canada is so great that cities run lotteries for a doctor's appointment, and long wait times to see doctors have caused overcrowded emergency rooms. The Canadian Medical Association reports that patients wait more than nine hours to be seen and more than 24 hours to be admitted in Canadian emergency rooms. According to the Canadian Broadcasting Co. the average wait time in Canada for surgery is more than five months. The wait time for a CT scan is two months in Manitoba, and the wait time for a MRI is five months in Newfoundland.
Dr. Richard F. Davis, a cardiologist at the University of Ottawa Heart Institute, described what's happening to patients waiting for coronary bypass surgery. In one year while waiting for this one operation, 71 patients died,
One-hundred twenty-one became too sick for surgery and 44 left to have the operation in the United States. The Calgary Herald reported that 25,000 Calgary residents were waiting for surgery or scans at just four city hospitals. Alberta Health's Web site lists the following surgery wait times: 15 months for hip replacement, 15 months general surgery, 13 months for knee replacement, three months for cardiac surgery and 13 months for an MRI scan.
According to the Acton Institute in Grand Rapids, Mich. since February 2007 Ontario hospitals have sent 421 heart patients, 75 pregnant women or their babies and 25 women with high risk pregnancies to U.S. hospitals to receive care that they could not provide. And that's just Ontario! There are nine more provinces up there!
John Johannsen
Augusta
From the Thursday, July 23, 2009 edition of the Augusta Chronicle

[lshadylady]

Good response. Our system down here sure has its faults but as you imply we certainly aren't lacking any 'rights'....

Im just waiting for Elliot to attack our health care system now.

Australia's population has twice as many immigrants as we do, Why do you list the aboriginal's as immigrants? Your growth rate is 1.7%. Your interest rate 3% Your government is a constitutional monarchy,democratic federal state system. Your budget was overdrawn more than ours was last march. We caught up and passed you in May. Your inflation rate is 2,5%/year. You export, lots of food products and minerals.

My dream was to spend a year in Australia. A car wreck kiboshed that. I think I would like Australia even if you don't have a "bill of rights" You do have a constitution patterned after ours.

Take good care of your country. Don't let it get in the condition ours is right now. We will pull through this depression and Healthcare problem and be just fine. We have done it before. So when your country has problems, just let us know. I'm sure we would be supportive and loan money too.https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/images.../biggrin.gif:-)

[NeedKarma]

Hi Needkarma,,
I have been talking to people in Canada for years about their Health Care System. You are the first person I have heard say they like it. I am a Nurse and we often hired temps from Canada.

Really. My sister is a Masters of Nursing and she's married to a doctor with his own practice. I hear differently. You see it matters not if you are old or poor in our country, it's universal healthcare.

[quote=lshadylady;1875044Here is what your Newspaper had to say about it today. The Chronicle.

The U.S. government runs Medicaid and Medicare and they are both bankrupt! So now we want the government to run the rest of the health-care business?

Well, first take a look at the government-run system in Canada.
The doctor shortage in Canada is so great that cities run lotteries for a doctor's appointment[/quote]That is an oft-repeated talking point by those that disseminate misinformation. Let me guess... you listen to that nitcase Glen Beck? These so-called "lotteries" seem to all stems form one article: Gander medical clinic holds doctor draw It was for a clinic in Gander Newfoundland, population 9951. The same type of situation alsio happens in rural communities in the US. Here, you even need to airlift mediacal resources to communities that have nothing: U.S. Health Care Gets Boost From Charity - 60 Minutes - CBS News

[NeedKarma]

Hi Needkarma,,
I have been talking to people in Canada for years about their Health Care System. You are the first person I have heard say they like it. I am a Nurse and we often hired temps from Canada.

Really. My sister is a Masters of Nursing and she's married to a doctor with his own practice. I hear differently. You see it matters not if you are old or poor in our country, it's universal healthcare.

Here is what your Newspaper had to say about it today. The Chronicle.

The U.S. government runs Medicaid and Medicare and they are both bankrupt! So now we want the government to run the rest of the health-care business?

Well, first take a look at the government-run system in Canada.
The doctor shortage in Canada is so great that cities run lotteries for a doctor's appointment

That is an oft-repeated talking point by those that disseminate misinformation. Let me guess... you listen to that nitcase Glen Beck? These so-called "lotteries" seem to all stems form one article: Gander medical clinic holds doctor draw It was for a clinic in Gander Newfoundland, population 9951. The same type of situation alsio happens in rural communities in the US. Here, you even need to airlift mediacal resources to communities that have nothing: U.S. Health Care Gets Boost From Charity - 60 Minutes - CBS News

[lshadylady]

Really. My sister is a Masters of Nursing and she's married to a doctor with his own practice. I hear differently. You see it matters not if you are old or poor in our country, it's universal healthcare.

That is an oft-repeated talking point by those that disseminate misinformation. Let me guess...you listen to that nitcase Glen Beck? These so-called "lotteries" seem to all stems form one article: Gander medical clinic holds doctor draw It was for a clinic in Gander Newfoundland, population 9951. The same type of situation alsio happens in rural communities in the US. Here, you even need to airlift mediacal resources to communities that have nothing: U.S. Health Care Gets Boost From Charity - 60 Minutes - CBS News

I am glad to hear something good. I live in a small city in NYS about 90 miles from the border.Our Government stepped in and closed many of our busiest clinics this last year. I live near the hospital and the Helicopters flying in and out transporting patients to a big city hospital gets nerve wracking at times. As a patient, I would rather stay close to home and if I need specialist that is not here, drive to another hospital. That kind of thing has me anticipating nightmares. I need a more positive attitude.:-)