[tassan]

Aslamu-Alaykum

Recently I have been engaged in a discussion about homosexutlity which a catholic who is against islam when it comes about homosexuality and at some extant I proved to her that its wrong and "Unatural" but at the last point she comes out with links which prove animals have homosexuality as well which proves that its "natural" so I am really confused and have to clue please help me...

Here are the links...

List of animals displaying homosexual behavior - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Homosexual Animals Out of the Closet | LiveScience
Homosexual Activity Among Animals Stirs Debate



I am 17 by the way, thanks in advance.

Waiting for your answers.

[justcurious55]

Whether homosexuality is natural has nothing to do with religion. The FACT is that some animals do display homosexuality. Whether it's wrong is your opinion. Some people, probably many, base their opinion on their religious beliefs. So, if you or whoever you're debating feel it's wrong, that's your opinion. It's not something you can "prove"

[tassan]

whether or not homosexuality is natural has nothing to do with religion. the FACT is that some animals do display homosexuality. whether or not it's wrong is your personal opinion. some people, probably many, base their opinion on their religious beliefs. so, if you or whoever you're debating feel it's wrong, that's your opinion. it's not something you can "prove"

Uh it is a thing of religion because in Islam its prohibited. Because Anal sex is not allowed in Quran there is example of people of Prophet loot whose people used to engage in homo sex.

[Fr_Chuck]

No, no the person may claim they are catholic but catholics teach that homosexual behavior is not natural and that it is wrong.

I am not sure why they were trying to prove anything, since the catholic view point and Islamic view point on homosexual behavior is the same.

[tassan]

No, no the person may claim they are catholic but catholics teach that homosexual behavior is not natural and that it is wrong.

I am not sure why they were trying to prove anything, since the catholic view point and Islamic view point on homosexual behavior is the same.

The problem right now is not that why she is in favour of Homosexuality but the real question is WHAT I DO FROM THIS STEP?

[Fr_Chuck]

Igore them, people who believe homosexual behavior is correct do so normally because of liberal beliefs and want to try to justify their human lusts and desires.
Some go as far as to rewrite means and interpertations of their religious teachings and often form new sects or groups

But all groups, even Islam has those that pervert their teachings for their own desires

Dhimmi Watch: Homosexual Muslims wage "a jihad for love"


Muslim and Homosexual

[N0help4u]

I don't have time to read the links but from what 'experts' have told me when a dog 'humps' anything it is not always about sexuality but to show dominance.

[Fr_Chuck]

But there is nothing to be confused about, In all of the major faiths, Islam, christianity, and the Jewish faith, homosexual activity is not an accepted behavior. In each there are splinter groups that find ways to accept things.

[tassan]

Dhimmi Watch: Homosexual Muslims wage "a jihad for love"

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Muslim and Homosexual

That links is way too old, along with that it has nothing much important, what you want to say by that link?


See I do NOT want to get into another discussion as I said, my SIMPLE question is why animals have homosexual behavior since its UNNATURAL or wrong or its not given to them BY ALLAH I mean animals do not have brain they do not have will they have no choice to choose yes they have but the thing that humans have is not present in animals so why the hell animals act homosexually?

[justcurious55]

Can you please try re-writing your question? Because all I can get out of it is that your religion (as well as many others) dictate that homosexuality is wrong and that animals don't have brains..

[tassan]

can you please try re-writing your question?? because all i can get out of it is that your religion (as well as many others) dictate that homosexuality is wrong and that animals don't have brains...?

Er... I can't edit my post hope you dun want me to post whole question again :eek:

But to highlight the question(s)...

Q1:Animals have homosexuality as well so if Islam says that homosexuality as a choice then how do animals choose to be homosexuals?

Q2:What I should tell the catholic girl to prove to her homosexuality is wrong after she gave me above links mentioning my first question

[justcurious55]

Animals don't choose to be homosexual. Some of them naturally behave that way. It's their natural instinct, regardless of what any religion, islam, catholicism, etc, says that is their natural instinct.
As for what to tell the catholic girl to prove her wrong, there is nothing you can say because you can't "prove" that is is wrong. She believes that it is not wrong. You believe that it is. You are both entitled to your own beliefs. Just because she is catholic doesn't necessarily mean that she believes everything the catholic church teaches. This seems to be an issue she disagrees with the church on.

[havaluk]

Hi

That's what I would tell Your friend:

Animals also kill their own babies and each other in struggles about superiority/territory/mating.

Does that make it an acceptable behavior for humans? No!

We are not following animals, we are created differently, as we are supposed to distinguish right from wrong and restrain ourselves from behavior patterns that are not beneficial for our species/for humanity.

Homosexuality can not be considered beneficial as it prevents procrastination of the human race. Show her some statistics about the West, where nowadays the average number of children per couple is 1-1.5. Which means they are not even maintaining their number. Speak about the social and economical consequences of these numbers...
Another problem are same sex partnerships that race to adopt children - there is a huge trade of so called orphans going on in this world...
What I mean is, that there are lot of examples, You can use to show her.

[justcurious55]

Wow. Not beneficial as it prevents procrastination? I hope you meant procreation. Have you looked around lately? Have you noticed how many areas are overpopulated? We're trying to cram people in. our schools especially are overcrowded. And what is wrong with homosexuals adopting children. The fact is, again facts not opinions or religion, there are plenty of children that need a stable home. A homosexual couple that is stable, both emotionally and financially is much better for a child then an orphanage or being with a straight couple that is neglectful or abusive.
If you're against homosexuality that's one thing but at least find a reasonable argument...

[havaluk]

Sorry, of course I meant procreation!

As far as I can tell from the original question, it is about Religion (Islam and Christianity / Catholicism) and I answered from this pov.
I do not believe in overpopulation...

[Dare81]

igore them, people who beleive homosexual behavior is correct do so normally because of liberal beliefs and want to try to justify thier human lusts and desires.
Some go as far as to rewrite means and interpertations of thier religious teachings and often form new sects or groups

But all groups, even Islam has those that pervert thier teachings for their own desires

Dhimmi Watch: Homosexual Muslims wage "a jihad for love"


Muslim and Homosexual

This is news to me that most homosexual are liberals, and most of them just do it to justify their lust and desires.I should start burning all the science books I have been reading

[Fr_Chuck]

The simple fact is that homosexual behavior is against all moral christian, jewish and Islamic teachings. The fact that people wish to fall back to some animal desires of sex is not surprising at all.