[450donn]

After last nights song and dance before the joint houses of congress has Mr Nobama finally gotten the hint that every time he or any of his staff open their mouths and tell us all about the doom and gloom in this country the stock market takes another big hit. Will he now start speaking positive. Or is he incapable of that?

[RickJ]

Yes, he is incapable. And worse yet (I fear) most Americans are incapable of recognizing it too.

We're coming off a President who did poorly, so I believe that so many are willing to take "anything different" :(

[excon]

has Mr Nobama finally gotten the hint that every time he or any of his staff open their mouths and tell us all about the doom and gloom in this country the stock market takes another big hit. ?

Hello 450:

The following CBS poll tells you what the people really thinks about their president:

CBS News and Knowledge Networks held a nationally representative poll of approximately 500 people who watched President Obama give his address to Congress to gauge their reaction in the minutes after the president's speech.

Though the results are not yet final, here are the preliminary findings.

Seventy-nine percent of speech watchers approve of President Obama's plans for dealing with the economic crisis. Before the speech, 62 percent approved.

Fifty-two of speech watchers think the president's economic plans will help them personally. Thirty-five thought so before the speech.

Seventy-five percent of speech watchers now say they were able to get a good understanding of Barack Obama's economic plans, compared to 61 percent before the speech.

Seventy-three percent of speech watchers think President Obama's plans will make the economy better. Twelve percent think they will make them worse, while 15 percent think they will make no difference.

Seventy-nine percent of speech watchers are optimistic about the next four years with Mr. Obama as president. Seventy-one percent said they were optimistic before the speech.

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I know you feel isolated, 450.

excon

[450donn]

Hello again koolaid sipper,
Yet for another day the Dow is down another 132 points. If there is so much confidence in nobamas ability please tell me why the stock market is down so far since he took orifice?

[Choux]

There are some people who can't deal with reality, donn; I guess you are one of them... only happy talk for you!

Sane Americans know that we were put into an untenable position by BUSH's No(KNOW)Nothing politics of the last 8 years and here we stand on the bring of disaster, complete disaster.

If you still have money in the stock market, you are a fool. The signs were there for a *long time*, and the worst has not yet occurred.

We have to face our problems... *first*, is our dependece on foreign oil... the Confederate Party's Reagan ignored the problem as all Presidents did after him, and now we import more oil than we did in 1980, and an oilman just left the White HOuse and left Americans is a world of trouble.

Decent Americans are not as stupid as you think... happy talk would not work in the face of reality.

[RickJ]

Don is neither "out of reality" or isolated. It does not surprise me that people are eager for socialism after all that our country has been through in the past 4-8 years.

But hey, who am I to argue? I know well that majority rules... so more power to y'all who embrace this new regime.

[Choux]

Don't be a pathetic crybaby whiner, Rich(and other's here).

Spend time learning about reality instead of following the hate speech that is *easiest* for you to understand... don't be lazy fear and hatemonger at the ***most critical time in American history***.

EDUCATE YOURSELVES!

[RickJ]

You take that as crying? Hate speech?

You must be replying in the wrong thread.

[NeedKarma]

It does not surprise me that people are eager for socialism after all that our country has been through in the past 4-8 years.

Socialism has been made out to be a bad word by the Fox News/Rush Limbaugh crowd.

"In America, it is widely unpopular to associate oneself with a socialistic ideology. Americans use the word “socialism” to imply negative connotations to a political theory most know little about. Commonly categorized with Nazism and communism, the idea of socialism in America is derogative and unappealing.Americans frown upon any social and political structure not based solely on the foundations of capitalism. Social welfare assumes a bad name because it contradicts the greed of a capitalistic society in which people are left to fend for themselves.Socialism should be understood for what it is: an idealistic governmental system that stresses the importance of social welfare. " source

[450donn]

Right back at you Choux, It was Carter that started the downfall by his insistence that everybody deserved a home of their own. Did not matter if they could afford to make payments on it or not. Followed by Clinton and that idiot Janet Reno pushing the banks further by threats of punishing them for not giving enough questionable loans to people who could not reasonably make an effort of repayment. Oh and don't forget the head of the banking committee the last two years, that goof ball Barnie Frank who has taken kick backs from freddie and fannie. Or who has for the last 10 or so years been cooking the books at freddie and fannie to make millions in bonuses? People like Jamie Gorelick that's who! Get off your high horse, This mess was created by the government and is further being perpetrated by the same political hacks that have been in congress for the last 20-30-40 years. Get them all out and replace then with honest people is the only solution.

[NeedKarma]

Get them all out and replace then with honest people is the only solution.

Good luck with that! Remember you live in the USA where greed is good. :)

[RickJ]

"Socialism" is what it is.

I did not say it's "bad".

I don't want it, but if it's what voters want then I know that I can either live with it or move.

Where is the hate speech or crying in that?

[NeedKarma]

I don't want it...

But you already have it: the bailouts started by Bush, your roads, your fire stations, educational system, etc...

[450donn]

Socialism has been made out to be a bad word by the Fox News/Rush Limbaugh crowd.

"In America, it is widely unpopular to associate oneself with a socialistic ideology. Americans use the word “socialism” to imply negative connotations to a political theory most know little about. Commonly categorized with Nazism and communism, the idea of socialism in America is derogative and unappealing.Americans frown upon any social and political structure not based solely on the foundations of capitalism. Social welfare assumes a bad name because it contradicts the greed of a capitalistic society in which people are left to fend for themselves.Socialism should be understood for what it is: an idealistic governmental system that stresses the importance of social welfare. " source

I guess you failed school huh? This country was not founded on socialistic principals, It was founded as a democratic society. As such people are free to make of it what they want. If you choose to get a good education, work hard and make a lot of money in the process that is democracy. Under your theory, if you go to school ( paid for by someone else) and work at a meaningful job,( give to you by the government) given just enough money to sustain yourself while the "elite" in government live on caviar and steak, that is OK?

[Choux]

Donn DOESN'T know Facts, and Rich is a whiner engaged in hate speech against Democrats. They listen to that liar Rush Limbaugh of the Confederate Party for their material.

I'm not going to argue with liars and whiners, Need Karma, I got lots of constructive things to do... I'm moving next week!
Keep the liars and haters in line and IN REALITY. :)

[NeedKarma]

I guess you failed school huh?

It's weird, I could swear that I saw you posting on the christianity boards being all holier than thou, and look how you speak to people...

This country was not founded on socialistic principals, It was founded as a democratic society. As such people are free to make of it what they want. If you choose to get a good education, work hard and make a lot of money in the process that is democracy. Under your theory, if you go to school ( paid for by someone else) and work at a meaningful job,( give to you by the government) given just enough money to sustain yourself while the "elite" in government live on caviar and steak, that is OK?

None of what you said I agree with. What you do is called a strawman argument and is reserved for those who have a weak or no argument.

[RickJ]

Rich is a whiner engaged in hate speech against Democrats

Shame on you. I hate Rush and I've not whined.

So you think disagreement is hate speech?

Shame on you, I've not said anything hateful.

[Emland]

I'm the daughter of a farmer from Arkansas. I was raised a Southern Democrat and Bill Clinton was my governor all during my youth and through high school. (Still have my autographed photo, too.)

Once, the Democrats were the party of the working man. They now seem to be the party of people always wanting something they didn't earn. I came from a world where if you didn't work, you didn't eat - meaning if you didn't give to the common good you didn't get anything out.

Once I married and moved out I realized the Democrats didn't represent me. I left home and married at 19, never finished college and scraped by. We saved, bought a house, worked 2 jobs each, had kids and got a bigger house. We never asked for help from the government - not even unemployment.

I thought for a while that the Republican party was the answer. Found out they are no different from the Democrats when they have all the power. Want to know the difference betweent the parties? Democrats help their friends and Republicans help their friends. The rest of us pay for it.

I don't really have a party. The one that comes closest is the Libertarian party, but no one takes them seriously.

It just chaps my fanny to hear a co-worker plan how she is going to spend her multi-thousand dollar tax return (thank you EIC) when she is pregnant with baby #3 from daddy #3 and to top it all off is on 3 government programs.

My hubby and I were handed a $4k tax bill on top of what we have already paid. Those of us who have busted out collective butts over the years and have followed the rules and not gone into incredible debt just get a little resentful now and again when we're told to suck it up and get ready to pay for someone else's irresponsibility.

[tomder55]

Rick Chou likes to stir the pot . If you asked her for specific times you used hate speech she could not and would not provide it

[RickJ]

Chou likes to stir the pot . if you asked her for specific times you used hate speech she could not and would not provide it

I recognize that. That's why she has not responded since. Anyone who can read english recognizes that I have not been hateful with my words.

Disappointed, yes.
Disagreeing, yes.
Hateful, pathetic or "crying", no.