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bobbalina · Feb 9, 2009, 05:46 AM

In anybodys eyes do you think its right to be gay?

Posted this for the "pet expert" but anybody can answer

excon · Feb 9, 2009, 06:04 AM

Hello b:

Well, if you're gay, of course it's right. If you're not, and you buy into the church crapola, then you might think it's NOT right.

So, what's new? We already know what Christians think of homosexuality. But, their opinion can be discounted because they've been brainwashed.

excon

Fr_Chuck · Feb 9, 2009, 06:22 AM

According to basic Christian, Muslim and Jewish teachings, homosexual activity and its practice is wrong.

There are newer break off groups in all faiths that have accepted those beleifs, ( opinion more for the people and the donations than any real faith issues) And you will find some break off group that will accept any type of desire known to man if you search.

But historically and still in the majority ( Western culture), religious groups do not accept this behavior.

Tj3 · Feb 9, 2009, 06:26 AM

Scripture is clear, and here is one example. Note that some in the church in Corinth fell into each of these sins and were brought out of them.

1 Cor 6:8-11
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.
NKJV

excon · Feb 9, 2009, 06:34 AM

Hello T:

I didn't know you disdain drunkards just like you do homosexuals...

How come you let drunkards, marry then? Or how come you don't pass a law that takes away a drunkards right to drink? Or how come it's OK to drink, but not get drunk? Wouldn't that mean that it's OK for two guys to kiss, if they didn't go any further?

Just curious.

excon

Tj3 · Feb 9, 2009, 06:52 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello T:

I didn't know you disdain drunkards just like you do homosexuals...

How come you let drunkards, marry then? Or how come you don't pass a law that takes away a drunkards right to drink? Or how come it's ok to drink, but not get drunk? Wouldn't that mean that it's ok for two guys to kiss, if they didn't go any further?

Just curious.

excon

I neither disdain those who drink excessively nor homosexuals.

Why is a "drink" okay - it is not a sin. Jesus drank wine. Scripture is clear on this point that the sin is excessive drinking.

But you are right to point out that each are stated in scripture to be sins, and no sin is better than another, so none of us can claim to be better than those who practice homosexuality. We all need to come to Christ for forgives of our sins.

Rom 3:23
23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
NKJV

To often homosexuality is presented to be somehow a worse sin than others, and that is not true.

This, BTW, is not talking about the law of the land, but what is and is not a sin.

bobbalina · Feb 9, 2009, 07:16 AM

Well personally my belief is of course Christian... im protestant... because the 'other' christian whatever you call them like baptists, methodists and other things like that... they all believe in different things... they keep taking stuff out of the bible to butter things up for the homosexual belief... like right here in WV... they have a gay church... im getting confused about the Christian belief... I know its wrong I was raised that it was and is but sometimes I just wonder...

excon · Feb 9, 2009, 07:23 AM

Hello again, b:

Nobody here is telling you that you should accept homosexuality. If you think it's wrong, then it is. If your church believes that gay people shouldn't marry, then your church shouldn't marry gay people, and you can keep gay people OUT of your church if you want to.

Those are your rights, and nobody here would attempt to convince you otherwise.

I think your confusion is GOOD, too. I think people ought to challenge conventional wisdom instead of blindly accepting the rules of the past. Why don't you go to the gay church and talk to those people? You might find out some stuff.

excon

bobbalina · Feb 9, 2009, 07:29 AM

We don't keep anybody out of church its Gods house anybody and everybody is accepted there...
I was at a store yesterday with my parents and sis... I noticed them first but a lesbian couple walked in the door holding hands and my dad started making fun of them... he was just like 'they want to be noticed so I'm noticing'... they didn't hold hands after that but still I don't like to hurt peoples feelings so I didn't join along but I wanted to... I mean I have a gay friend but I don't make fun of her or anything but I still think its wrong

excon · Feb 9, 2009, 07:42 AM

Originally Posted by bobbalina

i dont like to hurt peoples feelings so i didnt join along but i wanted to...

Hello b:

It's a shame your father DOES like to hurt feelings... You should instruct him on the Christian belief of "love thy neighbor as thyself". Plus, he's not even being polite. Doesn't he want you to be polite??

You've got your work cut out for you. It's VERY difficult to overcome a childhood filled with bigotry, but you CAN do it. I think the very FIRST thing to do, is ASK about it, and you DID. Good for you.

excon

bobbalina · Feb 9, 2009, 07:53 AM

Ummm... thanks and he is Christian he's was just saying what he believed just like those lesbians were showing what they believe and he didn't care who heard... see? This is very confusing

Tj3 · Feb 9, 2009, 08:00 AM

Originally Posted by bobbalina

we dont keep anybody out of church its Gods house anybody and everybody is accepted there...
i was at a store yesterday with my parents and sis...i noticed them first but a lesbian couple walked in the door holding hands and my dad started making fun of them...he was just like 'they want to be noticed so im noticing'...they didnt hold hands after that but still i dont like to hurt peoples feelings so i didnt join along but i wanted to...i mean i have a gay friend but i dont make fun of her or anything but i still think its wrong

God loves those who are homosexual, and they should be welcomed in the church. The passage that I quoted is clear that some in the church in Corinth were, before they were saved, homosexuals. We come to Christ as we are.

excon · Feb 9, 2009, 08:02 AM

Originally Posted by bobbalina

ummm...thanks and he is Christian he's was just saying what he believed just like those lesbians were showing what they believe and he didnt care who heard...see? this is very confusing

Hello again, b:

Yes, it IS confusing. Let me see if I can help.

On the one hand you've got your father, who you love very much... Then, on the other hand, you're starting to question things... That's part of growing up, and it IS confusing.

I don't believe the lesbians were making a statement to the world. I believe they were making a statement to each other.

I don't know how old you are, but I promise you, that when you find your beau, and you hold hands with him/her, it WON'T be a message to the world. It'll be a message to your loved one.

I suppose too, that your father thought by holding hands, they were offending him, so he had the right to offend them back. But, they weren't, and he doesn't.

It's like I said, you're going to have a hard time overcoming your fathers influence... But, I'm here to help.

excon

bobbalina · Feb 9, 2009, 08:08 AM

I'm turning 18 in the beginning of sept... and things have been confusing very much for the past few years and I've been through a lot of stuff to prove it... but I do love my father and I know what he believes but I just think he hurt those girls feelings I mean their people too but I don't know?

excon · Feb 9, 2009, 08:20 AM

Originally Posted by bobbalina

i know waht he believes but i just think he hurt those girls feelings i mean their poeple too but i dont know?

Hello again, b:

Yes, you DO KNOW. Treat people how you'd like to be treated... Oh, my gosh... That's another Christian prayer, isn't it?

excon

bobbalina · Feb 9, 2009, 08:24 AM

That's more like the golden rule...

classyT · Feb 9, 2009, 01:27 PM

According to Christian belief homosexual behavior is a sin. There just is NO getting around it.

TJ3,

Incidentally (and this is OFF the subject) do you know what Laodicean means? It is translated the People RIGHTS! I about fell over when I heard that. Thought you'd enjoy that since excon was giving you a lecture on the RIGHTS that Gay's don't get and the drunks do! LOL Well it blew me away anyway.

Tj3 · Feb 9, 2009, 06:56 PM

Originally Posted by classyT

According to Christian belief homosexual behavior is a sin. There just is NO getting around it.

TJ3,

Incidently (and this is OFF the subject) do you know what Laodicean means? It is translated the People RIGHTS! I about fell over when I heard that. thought you'd enjoy that since excon was giving you a lecture on the RIGHTS that Gay's don't get and the drunks do! LOL Well it blew me away anyway.

Interesting. I always wonder, when people speak about sexual orientation rights, how far they would take it. For instance, what about pedophiles - should they have their rights recognized? There is already a group working on recognition of homosexual pedophile rights - rights to practice their sexual orientation. Also, many people say that the Bible does not speak about the orientation, just the act, but in fact the Bible does speak about the orientation.

excon · Feb 9, 2009, 07:19 PM

Originally Posted by Tj3

Interesting. I always wonder, when people speak about sexual orientation rights, how far they would take it. For instance, what about pedophiles - should they have their rights recognized?

Hello again, Tj:

I have no problem discussing my views. I DO have a problem discussing what other people SAID were my views.

In fact Tj, I don't speak about "sexual orientation rights". I don't know what that is.

If you followed my argument, I specifically spoke about gay marriage. I can back up my argument with Constitutional law. I'm right - you're wrong. That law WILL be changed. Of that, I have no doubt.

Pedophile have the right to get married too. I spoke of NOTHING other than the right to get married. Pedophiles DON'T have the right to molest children.

I don't expect you to confine yourself to THAT argument, as I get that you think gay marriage equates to pedophile rights.

THAT isn't worth responding to. It's actually kind of stupid. I can't argue with stupid arguments. Ok, I'll make ONE argument... There ISN'T ONE group calling for gay marriage that also calls for the rights of pedophiles to molest children...

At least MY arguments have a basis in reality.

excon

inthebox · Feb 9, 2009, 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by bobbalina

in anybodys eyes do you think its right to be gay?

posted this for the "pet expert" but anybody can answer

According to the bible, the ACT of homosexuality, like any other sin, is wrong.

We are all sinners, and it is sinners that Jesus Christ loves - that He died and resurrected for us . :)

G&P