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    Jan 19, 2009, 11:47 AM
    Will the real Barack Obama stand up!
    From onenewsnow.com


    A conservative activist claims that during the presidential campaign Barack Obama abandoned his past support for same-sex "marriage" because it was politically expedient.
    A newly-uncovered questionnaire Barack Obama filled out in 1996 for a Chicago pro-homosexual newspaper reveals that while running for the Illinois State Senate, he favored legalizing same-sex marriages and vowed he "would fight efforts to prohibit such marriages."
    How soon, if at all, do you expect Barack Obama to move toward legalizing same-sex 'marriage'?
    Matt Barber, the director of cultural affairs at Liberty Counsel and Liberty Alliance Action, says it is not surprising that Obama was for homosexual marriage before he was against it.

    "Despite the platitudes that he's thrown out during the election saying that he believes in traditional marriage, his actions and prior words show that he unequivocally defends and agrees with the ridiculous and oxymoronic notion of same-sex marriage," he contends. "He has called for the repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA). He has congratulated homosexuals in California who entered into so-called marriages after the activist California court out there imposed same-sex marriage on the people of California."
    Matt Barber
    Barber notes that the same DOMA that Obama wants to repeal is the last line of defense that is preventing same-sex marriage from spreading like wildfire from states like Connecticut and Massachusetts to places like Virginia and Tennessee.



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    Jan 19, 2009, 12:01 PM

    Oh.. how horrible it would be if 2 people of the same sex were to get married! It's the end of the world!. please who cares. As long as its not 2 people just trying to pull a fast one for insurance. I couldn't care less.

    Obama has much more important things to deal with this year... THE ECONOMY kind of wins...
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    Jan 20, 2009, 03:26 PM

    I've said it here several times already. Obama is a puppet. I don't know just whose puppet, but he will move as someone pulls his strings.
    You doubt me, but wait and see.
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    Jan 20, 2009, 04:24 PM

    Two puppets in a row? What are the odds?

    These days there is always a team of people who help get a President elected and the President in kind supports some of their agenda's, it was not different for George Bush.

    Have US President's become simply figureheads and speechmakers for there respective parties? Yes, I know this is true; because if it was the most qualified person to become President neither George W. Bush or Barak H. Obama would have become President.

    These days you have to look good on TV, you have to be able to deliver a speech and arouse the emotions of the electorate. Anything more than that get's lost on most people, it's rarely about policy.

    How shallow have the American people become?

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    As for President Obama flip flopping during the campaign, he sure might have and so did John McCain. It's all part of getting elected first and then implementing your true intentions.

    Let's however hold our judgement until he actually does something or nothing about the issue of gay marriage while in office. You can judge him then if he wasn't consistent with what he said, but until then you are simply fear mongering. I think we've had just about enough of that.

    Let's give President Obama a chance and then judge him fairly.
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    Jan 20, 2009, 07:25 PM

    What makes Obama attractive is that he is not overly cynical, measured in what he says, is dignitive and refreshing. Those are impressive qualities that restore a lot of goodwill towards the US, in my opinion.
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    Jan 20, 2009, 07:43 PM
    450donn-

    A) There are no revelations that a "conservatist activist" would make subject of someone not of his own ideology!

    B) It's the nature of all pollutions (politicians) to change direction based on elect-ability.

    C) Same sex unions is about the homosexuality issue. Considering all the foreclosures, unemployed, and wars, I personally didn't vote for Barack Obama based on his views for or against same sex unions.
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    Jan 21, 2009, 05:37 AM
    DOMA passed by large majorities of both Houses of the Legislative Branch . It will not be easy to repeal.

    The new White House web site says the following on this issue .

    Support Full Civil Unions and Federal Rights for LGBT Couples:

    President Obama supports full civil unions that give same-sex couples legal rights and privileges equal to those of married couples. Obama also believes we need to repeal the Defense of Marriage Act and enact legislation that would ensure that the 1,100+ federal legal rights and benefits currently provided on the basis of marital status are extended to same-sex couples in civil unions and other legally-recognized unions. These rights and benefits include the right to assist a loved one in times of emergency, the right to equal health insurance and other employment benefits, and property rights.
    http://www.whitehouse.gov/agenda/civil_rights/

    Marriage protected ;civil rights protected.. it's a win win.
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    Jan 21, 2009, 05:49 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by 450donn View Post
    From onenewsnow.com
    That site has an agenda: OneNewsNow.com - Your News Right Now
    I'm sure it fits with your beliefs but it's not a news site.
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    Jan 21, 2009, 06:06 AM
    Clearly a posting that cites Matt Barber commentary is not news.
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    Jan 24, 2009, 03:52 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by StaticFX View Post
    oh.. how horrible it would be if 2 people of the same sex were to get married! its the end of the world! .... please who cares. as long as its not 2 people just trying to pull a fast one for insurance. i could care less.

    Obama has much more important things to deal with this year.... THE ECONOMY kinda wins....
    I personally don't care if there is same sex marriage or not. It's none of my concern, and doesn't concern me. People spend too much time on this, make it legal, or don't... S__t or get of the pot, we've got bigger fish to fry! I know people who are gay, and they do not offend me. What they do is their own business.

    Personally, I think all marriage should be illegal. But that's me... :)
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    Jan 25, 2009, 05:59 AM

    I agree with Andrew There are much bigger fish to fry. And wait to you see his next campaign for re election if he doesn't screw up too much.
    The new president Barack Obama learned his FIRST lesson in getting elected again.
    He has the right skin color to get the 96% of the black community to vote for him and that along with the Puerto Ricans and Mexicans So that's a shoe in. Now he is already setting himself up to win more of the gay communities to be there friend. So lets do the math for the next election and OOHH yes he WILL run again. Lets look at the next election on votes
    90 percentile of black votes or more
    75% of Puerto Ricans votes or more
    75% of Mexicans votes or more
    75% of Cuban votes or more
    75% of Jamaicans or more and other cultures votes
    And now lets see if he plays his card right 75% or more of the gay votes. And still holds on to enough of the white votes which voted about equally for him and McCain so where does that leaves us. Hhhmmm and it no surprise that Git Mo prisoner's were left loose to help keep the white liberal happy and the Middle east Americans too. He is not stupid
    Just so you don't think I'm picking on other cultures because I'm white and I work with the blacks and the Puerto Ricans and even some Jamaicans and oh yes some of my best customers were gay and two of my best renters are gay men and I respect them. I'm a Conservative basic white American. And since Mr.President Obama is our president lets respect the highest office in the land. And STOP calling him African American that really doesn't apply to the highest office in the U.S. The more I'm reminded of that the more the race issues will not go away because obviously he got in by the heavy votes of the black Americans which accounts for 12.8 of population 13% of the Puerto Rico pop Lets do it back wards 61% of white Americans left in pop. And after the split there on votes the basic rest by overwhelming majority non white of culture
    Sorry got off the main topic. YES he will cater to the American liberal multi culture mass and of course that the gay issue. He KNOWS where the votes came from I don't like him and I think he is dangerous. I also thought Mc cain was a goof ball but not as dangerous
    You ain't seen nothing yet. Wait till his third year to start campaigning for a second term and man will the push for new gay laws and more welfare and etc etc. In a nut shell he KNOWS what is now proven. He won't need the white American vote nearly as much as he thought for his first campaign. The polls has proven that the vote for him by the non whites was a racial vote and Please Nobody can tell me or the facts of the count that it doesn't speak for its self. The vote reminded me of a dictatorship / socialism

    what makes Obama attractive is that he is not overly cynical, measured in what he says, is dignitive and refreshing. Those are impressive qualities that restore a lot of goodwill towards the US, imho. That statement is almost exactly what got Hitler in office. There is a LOT of paralle here

    How shallow have the American people become? To answer that statement is simple The black community usually vote heavier towrads the liberal side because of welfare and Gov programs. And WHY do you think Hillary Clinton was In Puerto Rico last year dah. To get there cousins and uncles up here to vote back here in the States.. I know that for a fact I partly live In Puerto Rico working there in the winter for 22 years.I was down there last winter when she and hubby were there. It's a published well known fact that the Puerto Ricans talk about their politics like we talk about sports up here. So please Where have you been the last 22 years. Sorry The truth hurts.
    Here's a good one to show that reason Puerto Rico Gov budget is 9 billion for 4.9 million there in pop. The US upper states Gov sends annually 15 billion not to mention the other grants etc That I also know for a fact According to their OWN San Juan Sun paper of the Gov Budget report Not Bias simply it was the local Puerto Paper.
    So we can talk all the politics of the this or that and really its mostly indencidentials. This is all about simple basic people and numbers. So no matter if he a so so President and can't fix the economy which that can be blamed now on the white man/ Americano. As long as he keeps the welfare roiling and the Gays happy Well IS the BASIC. He have to be pretty bad to blow that re elect to sway the multicultural votes away from him.
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    Jan 25, 2009, 06:06 AM
    Hello again, 21:

    You live in Pa, huh? Dude! You must be one of them who clings to religion and guns.

    About your post - you only got one thing right... He's going to run again, and he's going to win.

    excon
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    Jan 25, 2009, 06:13 AM

    Where does this info come from? Where are his quotes? Who did he say this to?

    This is all speculation and rumor.

    I don't believe it,prove it to me please.
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    Jan 25, 2009, 07:14 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by ;
    religion and guns.This is all speculation and rumor.I don't believe it,prove it to me please.
    Sorry we like our rights to bear arms that's what kept the Soviets out form U S. being invaded it was the cold war they knew they couldn't afford to fight. That gun is what going to protect you and your family form the bad people. Since Florida gun laws are set up differently because its still considered a homestead and in the last 5 years the crime has been changing because now the law abiding victim has one too! TO shoot back.


    Artlady That is another fact and I have friends and my wife's brother lives in Florida. They aren't hillbillies either one of them is a pilot my wife's brother. Where were you the night and morning of the Election? Certainly not paying attention to CNN or World news and any of the Major stations . THEY publicly announced t counting of the POLLS of the votes electoral votes by state and by the black Culture. It was even in the major papers. Obviously you don't pay attention to World current facts of the present History! But yet you say "This is all speculation and rumor." I did save the San Juan paper from last year on there budget and many other things. I read there paper down there almost every day for months on end. The strange thing is the Puerto Ricans laugh at me and say you know more about our island then we do. I have good friends and good enough to say hay did you read the paper yesterday. It says the over 40% of all students on the island including the catholic schools quit high school.
    I'm a bit of an expert on Puerto Rico form the Tiano Indians that were indigenous to the island to current issues. I work side by side in construction on the job site,
    So what's your background to say

    Where does this info come from? Where are his quotes? Who did he say this to?

    This is all speculation and rumor.

    I don't believe it,prove it to me please.

    Apparently you didn't listen to simple factual news on the past election!
    I will get back to you and post the facts form a news site or a you tube of the actual coverage. Unless we were Lied to by CNN and all the other networks. Facts are facts!
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    Jan 25, 2009, 07:39 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by 21boat View Post
    Lets look at the next election on votes:

    90% of black votes or more (accounts for 12.8% of total population)
    75% of Puerto Ricans votes or more (accounts for 13% of total population)
    75% of Mexicans votes or more
    75% of Cuban votes or more
    75% of Jamaicans or more and other cultures votes

    The more I'm reminded of that the more the race issues will not go away because obviously he got in by the the heavy votes of the black Americans.

    61% of white Americans left in population.... the basic rest by overwhelming majority non white of culture.
    I see your offended that the right to vote in your country is not limited to white Americans (your expression, not a distinction I would care to make). From what you say, can I safely conclude you would prefer white people dominate all aspects of society and culture within America? Now who's sounding like Hitler?
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    Jan 25, 2009, 07:46 AM

    Cool.. I'm more than happy to have a discussion and maybe you can enlighten me or maybe I can enlighten you. Maybe we can get together and understand that we we all want the same things and we are all about the same thing.

    I want peace and people to get real and care and trust and all good things and I'm confident you do to or you would not be on this site I work everyday for peace,environment,civil rights,global warming,. Im going to send you a pic I made.Forget Polar Bears.. they are basically on the outs.

    Sometimes you have to get out of your comfort zone and accept what is new and embrace a beautiful change, hard at that may be,it is in your best interest if you are a activist and someone who wants to make this a better world.

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    Jan 25, 2009, 07:53 AM

    Beautifully said.
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    Jan 25, 2009, 10:32 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by artlady View Post
    Cool..I'm more than happy to have a discussion and maybe you can enlighten me or maybe I can enlighten you. Maybe we can get together and understand that we we all want the same things and we are all about the same thing.
    I have to almost totally agree with this artlady, BUT it seems as if we all have so many different ways of trying to achieve it. I think that is where the real problem surfaces time and time again.

    Of course we all want peace, a better economy, health, our rights, and the environment. I also see some very BIG problems with a few of the ways Obama says he will help in these areas.
    Peace... for peace he wants to take away our force field, our way of protecting ourselves. He is lightening the way we protect ourselves. I don't get that part. I don't understand how he thinks we are going to go over to others and "ask" them to stop. I can't understand, and if you can enlighten me, then I beg of you to. ( this is globally, this is not about our rights to bear arms)

    Better economy and environment go hand in hand. All of this does really, but these two wow, they are so close they touch each other on a daily basis. My husband works for a garbage company, recycling is a normal way of life, HE does the Earth Day events for his company, he does all the promoting stuff for a greener Oregon. Well, his company used to get paid for the recyclables they pick up every week. His company pays their customers $1.50 to go and pick up. A year ago, the bigger company that takes all the recyclables, said sorry guys, we are full... we have been taking all this stuff for the last ten years, we have so much built up that we are only offering money for certain things. That was a year ago... now they pay nothing, we have a landfill of recyclables, hubbys job still pays the $1.50 for people to do it, and they pay for the trucks that are specific to recycling. They will be cutting our benefits a lot, and they are trying hard not to lay someone off, but we all know what will happen.. That is my closest connection to economy and environment. (And the fact that I am very connected to the oil industry up in Alaska) I see money, jobs, and I see an impressive safe environment there. Not only that, we have wind power... oh yes, love the idea of taking jobs from coal miners, and giving it to the Chinese to make our wind mills... NOT COOL! They are not going to train the miners to work the wind power plants are they? Just a couple of examples.

    Health care, yes, a change needs to happen. All I can say is corruption and greed. We can all pretty much agree on that, right?

    Our rights, well, it has been said we have the right to bear arms, will he be taking that away to a certain extent? I would have to say yes, he will if he is allowed.

    I see President Obama as a great speaker, he has obviously given a lot of people hope. I just worry it will be false and we will never know it till it is too late. Just my opinion. Just my fears. My worries. I think he is a handsome, courageous, smart, history making man, but that just doesn't cut it for me.

    He has a big job, I really want to say I hope he stands up and does it. But I worry that if he does, we will be living in a hell not to far away.
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    Jan 25, 2009, 11:39 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by frangipanis View Post
    beautifully said.
    "My Pictures" Your pictures are beautiful.
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    Jan 25, 2009, 11:45 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by startover22 View Post
    I have to almost totally agree with this artlady, BUT it seems as if we all have so many different ways of trying to achieve it. I think that is where the real problem surfaces time and time again.

    Of course we all want peace, a better economy, health, our rights, and the environment. I also see some very BIG problems with a few of the ways Obama says he will help in these areas.
    Peace....for peace he wants to take away our force field, our way of protecting ourselves. He is lightening the way we protect ourselves. I don't get that part. I don't understand how he thinks we are gonna go over to others and "ask" them to stop. I can't understand, and if you can enlighten me, then I beg of you to. ( this is globally, this is not about our rights to bear arms)

    Better economy and environment go hand in hand. All of this does really, but these two wow, they are so close they touch each other on a daily basis. My husband works for a garbage company, recycling is a normal way of life, HE does the Earth Day events for his company, he does all the promoting stuff for a greener Oregon. Well, his company used to get paid for the recyclables they pick up every week. His company pays their customers $1.50 to go and pick up. A year ago, the bigger company that takes all the recyclables, said sorry guys, we are full....we have been taking all this stuff for the last ten years, we have so much built up that we are only offering money for certain things. That was a year ago......now they pay nothing, we have a landfill of recyclables, hubbys job still pays the $1.50 for people to do it, and they pay for the trucks that are specific to recycling. They will be cutting our benefits a lot, and they are trying hard not to lay someone off, but we all know what will happen.. That is my closest connection to economy and environment. (And the fact that I am very connected to the oil industry up in Alaska) I see money, jobs, and I see an impressive safe environment there. Not only that, we have wind power...oh yes, love the idea of taking jobs from coal miners, and giving it to the Chinese to make our wind mills....NOT COOL!! They are not gonna train the miners to work the wind power plants are they? Just a couple of examples.

    Health care, yes, a change needs to happen. All I can say is corruption and greed. We can all pretty much agree on that, right?

    Our rights, well, it has been said we have the right to bear arms, will he be taking that away to a certain extent? I would have to say yes, he will if he is allowed.

    I see President Obama as a great speaker, he has obviously given a lot of people hope. I just worry it will be false and we will never know it till it is too late. Just my opinion. Just my fears. My worries. I think he is a handsome, courageous, smart, history making man, but that just doesn't cut it for me.

    He has a big job, I really want to say I hope he stands up and does it. But I worry that if he does, we will be living in a hell not to far away.
    I will have to agree that some of your concerns are valid.

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