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yuta · Jul 14, 2006, 01:18 AM

No problem can be solved by the same conscious that's created it.

I'm kind of confused by the sentence above. Please help me with your knowledge.

Q1. Does this sentence make sense?
Q2. Is "conscious" usually used as a noun?
Q3. Do we need to put "by" before "it" to make it sense.
Q4. "that's created it" is used as a adjective for conscious.

shunned · Jul 14, 2006, 04:39 AM

I would rearrange it to say "No problem can be solved by the same frame of mind that created it."

Though I wouldn't say that, it does make sense.

RickJ · Jul 14, 2006, 05:53 AM

1. No.
2. "Conscious" is rarely used as a noun. Shunned offers a good alternative, and there are many others.
3. No.
4. You can't use "that's" in this sentence as "that's" is the same as "that is"... so it makes no sense at all as "that is created it".

Jonegy · Jul 16, 2006, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by rickj

4. You can't use "that's" in this sentence as "that's" is the same as "that is"...so it makes no sense at all as "that is created it".

In this case Rick "that's" would mean "that has".

I also would not use the apostophe "s" in a statement (which this appears to be) and would write it out in full ie:... that has created it, - which would have avoided that error.

RickJ · Jul 17, 2006, 03:01 AM

Originally Posted by Jonegy

In this case Rick "that's" would mean "that has".

Very interesting. I have never heard of this use nor am I able to find reference to it.

Is "that's" really a legitimate contraction for "that has"?

Jonegy · Jul 17, 2006, 05:45 AM

Hi Rick

I think it's a matter of tense...

" it's (it is) being done at this moment "

" it's (it has) already been done".

As you say - in present tense the statement doesn't make sense - however in past tense...

RickJ · Jul 17, 2006, 06:07 AM

Oh of course. I see now. I have seen and used it as the 2nd example you show.