[ScottGem]

FIREARMS REFRESHER COURSE

1. Both are citizens
2. Depends on circumstances, a gun in the hand is just as likely to result in the death of the holder
4. Wrong, its about protection of the populace
5. You can now
6. A typical NRA obfuscation. Gun control is not about preventing crime, its about making the populace safer
11. What part of "a well ordered militia" don't you understand?
15. An oversimplification
16. If you don't shoot to kill you aren't shooting to stay alive
19. See 6
20. See 6
21. Gun control is not about preventing gun ownership, but about preventing guns from getting into the wrong hands. Again, its about protecting the populace.
23. Gun laws need to be coordinated and enforced. When someone can get a gun by establishing residence by living 2 weeks in a transient motel, then the existing laws aren't sufficient.
24. Ridiculous
25. Times have changed in 230 years, the colonists didn't have the checks and balances of the constitution to protect them.
26. Remember part of that is "FOR the people".

Those points I did not answer were because I either agree or there is no response. By the way, I don't need to hide behind anonymity. I'm not afraid to speak out for what I believe in.

[talaniman]

It was sent by a friend the other day so I just decided to share it here. I was too lazy last night to write a disclaimer. I want no part of gun control until you can keep them out of the hands of criminals. Just my opinion

[ScottGem]

It was sent by a friend the other day so I just decided to share it here. I was too lazy last night to write a disclaimer. I want no part of gun control until you can keep them out of the hands of criminals. Just my opinion

But there you promote one of the fallacies of gun control. Its not designed to keep arms out the hands of citizens. Its designed to make it harder for people who shouldn't have arms to get them.

Of course you won't prevent criminals from getting weapons, but the harder you make it the more you prevent it.

[talaniman]

The harder you make it the more ways they come up with to get them anyway. Have you ever heard a criminal complain of not being able to get a gun. Its easer than you buying groceries.

[ScottGem]

That's not the point. You are never going to stop a truly determined person from doing something. But, by making it harder, you do inhibit the less determined person.

The answer is not to reduce obstacles.

[talaniman]

I suspect the less determined person will find a more determine one to get what he wants, but my point is, I think there are a number of laws on the books that hamper citizens a lot more than prevent criminals from by-passing the law which they do with flagrant regularity. I think the real answer is to make a criminal pay a hefty price for breaking the law, like life with no parole for even having a gun in his possession and double it for those that sell or supply him with a weapon.

[ScottGem]

I suspect the less determined person will find a more determine one to get what he wants, but my point is, I think there are a number of laws on the books that hamper citizens a lot more than prevent criminals from by-passing the law which they do with flagrant regularity. I think the real answer is to make a criminal pay a hefty price for breaking the law, like life with no parole for even having a gun in his possession and double it for those that sell or supply him with a weapon.

I can't really agree with that. It assumes that such penalties provide an effective deterrant which I don't believe. If someone is going to break the law, their sense of ethics has already diminished to the extent that such punishment is no longer a consideration.

I do agree that citizens may be hampered more than potential criminals. But as long as the fundamental rights are preserved, then I think that is a small price to pay. Franklin's quote ("Those who trade liberty for security have neither.") is an issue, but as long as the ultimate liberty is preserved, we can have greater security.

[talaniman]

Darn it I thought that I'd get ten points for that life w/o parole thing! Anyway deep down nothing will ever be enough to deter a criminal,so I may as well lock and load. Can't LOL because it is so sad!