[inthebox]

The unions have done there jobs but they are obsolete and uncompetitive and in a lot of cases corrupt.

US automakers have to comply with OSHA, EPA regs, EEOC, whether they are Honda or Ford.


"We" can't do this, because the market, i.e. the consumer sets the prices by there purchases. To insist on wages and benefits that are nearly twice that of your domestic competitors is business suicide, and this is being proven out.

The question is why should the taxpayor bail them out.

I think if the UAW is going to concede on wages and benefits, management definitely has to also, starting with private jets.

[excon]

Hello:

I don't know why you want to beat up labor. I guess it's because you don't have Bill Ayers anymore...

Plus, your addition is wrong... If you take the health care costs out, the UAW worker is making about $43/hr. That looks like what the NON unionized Japanese are paying their workers... The COUNTRY pays for their health care.

What's your point? $43 is too much?

It's also grandstanding by congress to make light of the CEO travel methods. It's hypocritical, short sighted, mean spirited, and really DUMB too. It takes away from the real problems we're facing. I think the're highly overpaid, but I don't mind that they travel in private jets.

But, what do you expect from congress?

excon

[inthebox]

Hello:

I dunno why you want to beat up labor. I guess it's because you don't have Bill Ayers anymore....

Plus, your addition is wrong.... If you take the health care costs out, the UAW worker is making about $43/hr. That looks like what the NON unionized Japanese are paying their workers.... The COUNTRY pays for their health care.

What's your point? $43 is too much?

It's also grandstanding by congress to make light of the CEO travel methods. It's hypocritical, short sighted, mean spirited, and really DUMB too. It takes away from the real problems we're facing. I think the're highly overpaid, but I don't mind that they travel in private jets.

But, what do you expect from congress?

excon

Not much!


The funny thing is that congress has the nerve to ask the big 3 for a viable business plan.

Is this not the same congress [ along with Prsident Bush - I'll give you that ;) ] that has spent us into trillion dollar debt? :confused:

[tomder55]

What's your point? $43 is too much?

possibly yes when they are going to Washington and asking the $25 /hr average worker to subsidize their income.

No one is blaming the worker solely . However ,given a choice of no job or a job with reduced compensation that still is gold standard compared to the rest of the American labor force ;they should be more flexible in their response.
The business model of Detroit is flawed ,and the big 3 have to address all aspects of that... but labor relations weighes heavily in the equation.

[450donn]

Hello:


Plus, your addition is wrong.... If you take the health care costs out, the UAW worker is making about $43/hr. That looks like what the NON unionized Japanese are paying their workers.... The COUNTRY pays for their health care.

What's your point? $43 is too much?

excon

Actually with benefits the average big three auto workers make 71 and change an hour. Their non union counterparts in the South east make on average about 37 an hour. It takes the average Big three Unionized auto workers to make a car on average 10 hours longer then their non union counterparts. THAT IS THE PROBLEM. GM/Ford/Chrysler are strapped with union contracts that hare killing their productivity. Add to the facts that
They have outdated production models again thanks in large part to the union mentality it is no wonder they are broke. They are losing on average around 2000 dollars per car because of company mismanagement and union greed for the last 40 years. Yes, I blame both parties.

[t-popas]

Yohu